skillywilly56 t1_j9lhcnn wrote on February 22, 2023 at 8:58 PM

Reply to comment by override367 in Google case at Supreme Court risks upending the internet as we know it by dustofoblivion123

Terrorism 101: how to be the very best terrorist you can be! From constructing your very own IED to Mass Shootings, we can help you kill some innocent people! Written by Khalid Sheik Mohammed

And blazoned across the front of the book store and ads on bus stops and billboards, radio and tv ads: New York Times best selling! 10/10 Some random book reviewer, the Ultimate Guide to help you up your terrorist game-Good Reads, If you read this

Terrorist type activity increases…could this be linked to the sales of this book which you advertised heavily?

No we just sell books, not content, the content is the problem not the advertising or the sale of the book.

But you wouldn’t have been able to make all those sales without advertising…

We take no responsibility for the content.

But you made money from the content?

Yes

But no one would’ve known about the book if you hadn’t advertised it and marketed it heavily.

We can’t know that for sure, but we have a responsibility to our shareholders to make profit anyway possible…

Even by advertising harmful material?

Yes

override367 t1_j9mccsz wrote on February 23, 2023 at 12:22 AM

What the hell are you talking about? Google removes terrorist content as soon as it is reported, the case before us is more like a book in the back (that isn't even illegal) which has a bunch of pictures of US soldiers who've been tortured by the Vietcong, and is against the bookstore's internal code of conduct to sell, and offended someone who sued even though they had a button to delete the book and others like it from their own personally curated section of the bookstore forever

I also want to point out that a good deal of terrorist content is legal and covered under the first amendment. Not like bomb making or whatever, but their ideology can absolutely be spoken aloud in America, google gets plenty of pressure from it's advertisers to remove such content

Now, right wing hate speech, not so much, the algorithm encourages it because it favors engagement and highly emotional rage bait encourages engagement, none of this has anything to do with section 230 however, and yet here we are

skillywilly56 t1_j9mmymr wrote on February 23, 2023 at 1:39 AM

Dear lord have you never heard of a metaphor, one cannot just wash one’s hands of something like Pontius Pilot and make money off of it just because they didn’t make the content or have control of what users watch, because they ARE controlling it.

Especially when they use an “algorithm” to deliberately feed the content to users constantly such as the right wing bullshitery and misinformation because the most controversial stuff gets the most views and will give them the most ad revenue. They aren’t giving you the content you want, they are feeding you content that sells ads.

Like a book store that says “we have millions of books to choose from” and then the only books they have on display are books about Nazis, all the recommended reading is about how to become a Nazi, and then once you have gone and bought a book about something else entirely and come back a week later, “you wanna read something about Nazis” “ we really think you’d like stuff about Nazis” Because every time you read or buy something about Nazis they get more money than when you buy any other book.

They don’t have an algorithm, it’s a hate generator and the key factor is that it is deliberate. It deliberately aims content to generate ad revenue, it’s not an “accident” and that’s the sticking point.

Zacajoowea t1_j9n5t81 wrote on February 23, 2023 at 4:03 AM

If you go to YouTube in your browser right now is it full of Nazis and right wing hate? Cause mine is full of sketch comedy from the 90s and Kurzgesagt videos, if your homepage is full of Nazi stuff… well… that’s a you thing. I have never been fed complete irrelevant content that I’m not searching for. You need to adjust your metaphorical bookstore to be individualized recommendations based on the previous book purchases and the purchasing habits of people who purchased the same books.

skillywilly56 t1_j9n8nqw wrote on February 23, 2023 at 4:27 AM

I watch YouTube videos for gaming stuff and historical docuseries and 4x4ing that’s it, my feed about a year or two ago went from gaming content to videos about “guy owns feminist” and Andrew Tate/Jordan Peterson type horseshit along with freaking sky news bullshit (I don’t even watch the news!) and all my gaming stuff just disappeared from my recommended list and I actively have to search and go to the YouTubers channel to get to the vids I want.

It’s not a me thing, I even tried downvoting and “giving feedback” and liking videos but nup did nothing to change the algorithm still just right wing anti female bullshit.

So either the algorithm thinks because I like video games and 4 wheel driving makes me an incel they are deliberately pumping stuff that will generate controversy or they think that other people who like those things will also like right wing incel shit and pump it to you.

Maybe it’s cause I watch it through my television app and not my computer or phone but I sure as shit never went looking for it and I can’t seem to get rid of it.

I’ve considered just deleting my account to see what happens, but even when I watch with a vpn without signing in boom horse shit right wing propaganda.