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Velrex t1_iucxq0t wrote

Reply to comment by B3ARDGOD in [Image] Don't be rash by pureSerbia140

What are you talking about. I've meet plenty of people who say "ya" instead of you and a couple who say "dontcha".

Maybe it comes with socializing with random people over voice through videogames and stuff but it's definitely a thing. Is it super common? Not in my area but in certain ones I'm sure it is.

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B3ARDGOD t1_iucylc7 wrote

"Aintya" is another one that never occurs. I didn't articulate what I wanted to say properly and I'll add an edit to reflect that. What I meant was, although a miniscule amount of people say it, it's best practice to not write it phonetically unless a character's accent/colloquial pronunciation is an integral part of the story line.

You don't see "gonna" in books, it's written as "going to" and the conversion to "gonna" happens in your head as you read it. It's the same for "ya" coming from "you".

This comes up in Cyberpunk Edgerunners and it is so stilted and fake, it just doesn't sit naturally due to the fact that it is incredibly rarely used, and only when people think it makes them sound cute/cool but it is usually received with a hint of cringe.

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Velrex t1_iuczenh wrote

I'd say it's usually used in a way to portray that the character is essentially a country bumpkin or a farmer of some kind, and is used to separate the character from city folk.

It usually adds a bit of a feeling cultural difference between two characters.

That said, I haven't seen edgerunner and I have seen situations where it is used in a very cringe way, and it sticks out like a sore thumb. But I'd say the time mentioned above is fairly tame and not problematic whatsoever.

Also, I still think you're assuming far less people use a hick accent and/or pronounce words in such ways than they actually do. Hell, even in my part of the world things like y'all and "wontcha" and such are relatively common place.

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B3ARDGOD t1_iuczy10 wrote

I said "all y'all" yesterday to add variety to my sentence and you're right about using "ya" to pad out characters. A corn cob pipe and a straw hat, a basket of eggs, and a bushel of hay on their back would have done it too without adding the immersion break.

Different strokes for different folks, thanks for discussing it with me though and helping me to actually articulate myself properly. It was morning and not enough sleep on my end.

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Bald_Bulldozer t1_iud1onv wrote

Man has never seen Fargo. It’s not just some straw hat bumpkin that uses these colloquialisms either.

Many people in Chicago, a massive US city use the same or similar accent. It can be a Midwestern thing and “don’t ya” in general is broader than that.

And I guarantee some 50 year old grandmother is not trying to be hip/cool/ or cringe.

This is a ‘you’ issue dude.

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B3ARDGOD t1_iud2q9b wrote

I've seen both the TV show and the movie Fargo, both more than once. I'm saying that it is best practice for it to be written as "don't you" and the accent that we would be aware of by that point would put it together in our imagination. In Fargo, the accent is consistent with every spoken word and not just on occasional words.

I never said it was only country bumpkins who said it's I was just working with the given example that it could be used to show a character is a country bumpkin.

Tell me, are more books written phonetically to peoples accents or are they written descriptively using best practices that let your imagination form the characters and their voices using the details provided by the author.

This isn't a "me" issue. The simple fact that you wrote

>“don’t ya”

instead of how it's pronounced "dontcha" proves that phonetically spelling the words isn't best practice.

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Bald_Bulldozer t1_iud35ne wrote

No.

And the faster you stop digging yourself this hole the faster your downvotes will stop.

Also the way to write books or video games is subjective. The way you definitively think it has to be one way, and your way at that…

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B3ARDGOD t1_iud3hn1 wrote

I hate to break it to you but "no" doesn't make a decent argument. The fact that you couldn't even come up with a reply other than flat out selective ignorance shows how strong your argument is.

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Bald_Bulldozer t1_iud3pp7 wrote

You have a lot of growing up to do.

And that statement has no bearing on what age you are.

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B3ARDGOD t1_iud3zql wrote

Aw, so you're trying to be hurtful. That cute.

Shouldn't you have written "you've uhlotta growinup tdo" if we were following your ideology that you aren't able to defend?

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Bald_Bulldozer t1_iud4heo wrote

No.

It’s obvious nobody has told you that enough in your life.

And if you weren’t in a blind rage you’d see I’ve made my point about subjective writing two comments back.

I’m done here. Grow up kid.

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B3ARDGOD t1_iud51oe wrote

>No There it is again. I see you ignored my point on how books are written descriptively, regardless of accent.

Interesting that you're telling me that I'm in a blind rage but I'm also the only one presenting logical facts and not trying to insult the other person.

>I’m done here.

You say that as if you actually did something. Saying "no" and trying to insult people doesn't constitute an argument.

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HeroicLemming t1_iud6tqn wrote

I invite you to read Trainspotting by Irvine Welsh

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B3ARDGOD t1_iud7jp3 wrote

Great book and we'll put-together movie. I invite you to read any of the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly books by Paul Howard. They are written phonetically for comedy as they mock a specific accent. Then I invite you to read every other book ever written and see how writing phonetically is much rarer than everyone seems to think it is.

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Velrex t1_iud1ber wrote

While I personally don't consider it an immersion break, I suppose I can see how you could.

And I agree that it can be a bit jarring to read, atleast in novels when a character is half talking in shorted slang words that almost feel like they're put there to just.. keep the writing from being 'boring'.

No problem.

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