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vegancookie t1_iwpo6at wrote

How to tell if your motivational message is a bad one: Would it be applicable to Putin? Similarly , would would it gaslight someone who is in a toxic relationship? If yes to either, it’s a bad motivational message.

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theusernamesusername t1_iws9sgu wrote

Do you have an example of a better quote? Not asking rhetorically, just curious to see a comparison to something that is a constant truth.

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After reading your post I imagined telling this quote to a POW or a person in a concentration camp. In modern day maybe this would be considered a "white (read as 1st world) privilege" quote.

Funny enough I had initially found it somewhat motivational. But it's clearly something an authoritarian could say to make someone submissive to their ways.

But maybe it's all semantics and requires proper context.

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vegancookie t1_iwsc8bh wrote

Most “motivational quotes” are just toxic positivity. To really give someone motivation you’d have to know and understand someone, and acknowledge the shite they’re in that makes a motivational speech useful to them.

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ComparisonGen t1_iwwa6sm wrote

"It requires proper contex" nailed it. The post is talking about a general sense of trust in one's instincts and a sense that you have to commit to doing something. If you realize a mistake you may fix it and it also can be part of your path. But there's the dilemma of personal vs. social responsibility. I know that at times I trust myself and let go of the social situations I do better. You have more control over yourself. But what about when you have to protest and lobby for your goals. You have to cry for justice in a society. What if you are marginalized? Even at that point one may reason that your trust in yourself makes you a better campaigner for social causes. But it's a dilemma.

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Arijan101 t1_iwpta13 wrote

Yup, 99% of "motivational" messages are trash.

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Seba-en-Sah t1_iwq074o wrote

Except when you walk into the wrong direction during a race

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PingouinMalin t1_iwqa5vc wrote

Survivor bias : Scott Hamilton said after he achieved some victory that he had decided to achieve it. And discarded conveniently the fact that many people who tried as hard as him failed.

To sum up : what a load of crap.

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ComparisonGen t1_iwwahr1 wrote

If trying hard is not a good advice, what is the alternative?

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PingouinMalin t1_iwwbqiu wrote

It's not what this says.

"Try hard" is sound advice.

Saying "want to win to win" is, first, false (survivor bias), and also culpabilizing people for failure : it litterally says "you didn't want hard enough".

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puuro00 t1_iwqsb37 wrote

I'm going to use this in any competition I take part of

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waylandsmith t1_iwr58jm wrote

I'm bleeding, making me the victor!

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tincanman8 t1_iws1pdn wrote

This makes zero sense.

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ComparisonGen t1_iwwal6k wrote

Okay but why?

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tincanman8 t1_iwwep6k wrote

Because it's often important to recognize when you're doing something wrong and course-correct. If that's not the definition of changing paths then idk what is.

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ComparisonGen t1_iwxq2rn wrote

You may think of paths in a more abstract way. Like changing paths can be considered part of your path. Your path concerns the general trust in yourself that gets you up and running everyday so that you can commit to your goals not eternally because everyone has to look and modify things once in a while. But without grit, by doubting anything everyday nothing happens. So the quote emphasizes the trust/commitment part. Of course some people commit to idiot paths but some do not commit at all and are always confusingly searching for the right path. This quote works for the latter.

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tincanman8 t1_iwxr4gn wrote

So I was going to mention the "changing paths is part of your path" thing but didn't want to clutter my last comment too much.

The thing about that is, it becomes somewhat akin to saying "you're already fine, no need to do anything cuz you're always on the right path".

It's just too much of a (motivationally) useless reach for me to consider changing paths as part of your current path. It's valid though, I guess. If it helps someone then it's good in my books lol.

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ComparisonGen t1_iwy0emd wrote

That's something about motivational quotes. They motivate me but I try not to be irrational about them. I guess that's the only way they work. However, the world without them is a bit boring. Sometimes we need them because we are not merely logical beings. Sometimes you need something to pomp you up. But maybe to consider them literally or to take them as plain truth is not because they do not have any function rather because some people lack critical thinking. So I try to take what they offer but I'm in no way thinking they are full of wisdom. At the end, just a thought popped up. Maybe we should go to some classical novels or ancient Greek philosophy for some motivation. They have more thoughtful words. Maybe one should rethink GetMotivated.

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ComparisonGen t1_iwy0o2p wrote

Objective research of psychology of motivational quotes and their influences on people would be a nice research subject.

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