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Cinaedus_Perversus t1_j0fqont wrote

>deep personal virtue ethics

The only deep thing about stoicism is the layer of metaphysical bullshit it's based on.

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Whiplash17488 t1_j0g1jp6 wrote

With deep I mostly meant there is a richness in material to the philosophy from the original ancients that has survived. And then a richness in material that has been written about it since. Including criticism.

> Metaphysical bullshit

Its a wild ride that part. Its also interesting to read how people try to reconcile that part as Christians, atheists, bhuddists and so on.

The creator of modern cognitive behavioural therapy, Aaron Temkin Beck, directly attributes the therapy to the Stoic disciplines of passion, action and assent. And CBT is objectively helping tens of thousands every day. CBT in essence proves that there are parts of Stoicism that hold true even if their metaphysical ideas didn’t stand the test of science.

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