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DecalArtist t1_j8di9qc wrote

This is a terrible design, who ranked family and dreams so much further back and placed priority on money and being a slave to work?? Maybe I just don't get it.

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TheEternalKhaos t1_j8dyrml wrote

I mean, even in a hunter gatherer society, work just means a different kind of work and money is just... food and shit I guess lmao

Although, if I were to guess it's coz before starting a family, you do kind of want to be financially stable first. It's probably not thought out all too much and is just there for the sake of something filling out the space lmao

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maniacalmustacheride t1_j8e3wwc wrote

In a hunter/gatherer society, most of the time was spent together. Women and men helped gather, though women did the bulk and the food processing. Taking down a large animal was calorie taxing, and there was no refrigerator so meat was a feast time while gathering still happened, and was sorted and stored, and then the group was back together to a) rest after the hunt or b) be a woman and continue the constant maintenance of children, food, clothing, etc.

Like lions, men brought food to buy in to society that was matriarchal. You see it in elephants and deer, younger men/older boys are expected to look after smaller children when the adults are doing the heavy lifting. Society only demands work first instead of family because that’s what’s been sold to you and now you’re stuck in the system. Having a family, having a tribe, biological or not, strengthens the group. If you can hunt and she can fish and I can cook and she can weave, we’re okay, as long as we work together.

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DifferentRegular4549 t1_j8f1i5w wrote

We evolved family/social dynamics to facilitate "work" (i.e. not starve or die of exposure) not the other way around though.

The problem with the modern economy based on currency and exchange value is we are alienated from our labor as well as the traditional sorts of family units that our brains evolved to thrive in. Not that the world demands work first - because that's always been the case, the world is a hard fucking place.

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Whole_Ad_6484 t1_j8hq3ql wrote

Not all work the Universe, God, Nature, ancestors or whatever you'd like to call it..... Has called us to do a job/work that is a paycheck provider position. Our work or our occupations in society are shaping what our future outcome will be in our universe's. Sometimes the most important work is done when off the paycheck money system's clocks. I absolutely feel personally that working together and work for each other as a whole is the most attribute to have as a whole. Keep up the good work at all points of our lives and watch what our futures can hold for all walks of life. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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Zyxyx t1_j8gyqbs wrote

>as long as we work together.

So, Work should be placed higher than family, because as you said, the family can only exist if the work is done.

Essentially:

>If you can't hunt and she can't fish and I can't cook and she can't weave, we’re not okay

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drphungky t1_j8dw31w wrote

>This is a terrible design, who ranked family and dreams so much further back and placed priority on money and being a slave to work?? Maybe I just don't get it.

The idea is you need what's on the left to succeed at what's on the right. It's not about what you consider important, it's more order of events. So you need health to be able to even be good at your job, you need to be good at your job to make money, you need money to support and let your family grow, and you need a supportive family to actualize your dreams. It's not an alternative Maslow's Hierarchy of needs.

So there is something to be said about family being so far to the right, but anyone who has a family and does not have money will know that in real life it does cause lots of stress. There are plenty of happy poor families and unhappy rich ones so it's not a perfect analogue, but there's at least a decent nugget of truth there that anyone who has tried to find childcare can support.

Dreams is a little weirder because you don't need family per se to fulfill your dreams, but it definitely helps to have health and money (which implies job). If you called family like, "responsibilities to others" it would probably be a good graphic because you need to have a handle on your responsibilities to fully dedicate yourself to your dreams. But in lieu of that wordiness and awkward turn of phrase, family is a decent shorthand for people we have a responsibility to.

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JDBCool t1_j8dyok6 wrote

Looking at it from another perspective.

What if "Family" is starting your own, not "family that raised you".

I would NOT want to raise a kid being stressed by money being tight. Like you said, there's poor families that are happy, and rich families that are not.

But not having that money to pay for opportunities/experiences and having them miss out would leave a bad aftertaste if they could not sign up for something like clubs/things they enjoyed. I.e sports.

Like, not being stingy with money but not over spending either. But at least a bottomline would be: at least 1/8th of monthly earnings after tax deduction being used as "disposable" would be a good measure for family spending.

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more_walls t1_j8dswu2 wrote

The maker of the meme isn't fully out of the capitalist wagie kiss-up mentality

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MinnieShoof t1_j8eissw wrote

Dreams, typically, are one of those things that you get to focus on last, even in a people-centric society. Dreams and self-actualization are suppose to be life goals. People now adays conflate dreams with wants. It's rather sad. But I fully agree about the displacement of work and money above family.

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captnmr t1_j8esu9j wrote

This is a binary representation and money is a proxy for shelter, food, and other basic needs. It’s saying that you need food and shelter before you need family. Likewise, it’s not saying to quit your job and become a gym bro.

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DifferentRegular4549 t1_j8f0yk8 wrote

Looks like a reasonable hierarchy to me, without work you have no money and without money you can't take care of family

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justasmalltowndad t1_j8g40u5 wrote

I'm pretty sure they just placed the other things in random order, not thinking about how it would be interpreted.

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ALittlePeaceAndQuiet t1_j8gykq9 wrote

I think what it might be saying is wait to stay a family until you have enough money to do so comfortably. Not well designed, and not super realistic anyway. But that's what I figured they were going for.

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MortLightstone t1_j8h5kbz wrote

well if you work all the time, but everything is so expensive you still can't afford anything, then you can't raise a family or pursue your dreams

Poverty will kill you

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Whole_Ad_6484 t1_j8hp8ag wrote

LOL very well said. My thoughts are

  1. Health ( mentally, physically, spiritually, financially, emotionally)
  2. Family (blood or non blood related)
  3. Socially (Open to every walk and way of life)
  4. Productive/Working (Not all IMPORTANT Jobs provide $) And so on......
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