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Lout324 t1_jc4857x wrote

If you were actually employed professors, would you have different opinions on services like yours that, no matter what rhetorical justifications you employ, inherently allow others to pay to pass off someone else's writing as their own?

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unemployedprofessors OP t1_jc49wbl wrote

Interesting question. At one point in the past, we might have, but the way higher ed has gone - especially in the last several years - perhaps not.

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Lout324 t1_jc4cdsy wrote

So, non-answer is answer?

Please give an honest reply. Whatever the state of the academy - sure, programs will admit many more students than they can place in jobs - how do you justify plagiarism, which you would prosecute if you were actually employed as professors?

You earn money helping people cheat. Please respond honestly.

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unemployedprofessors OP t1_jc4ewyw wrote

When we were working as professors, most of us had experiences in which our attempts to "prosecute" students for plagiarism - regardless of evidence or the hours we spent preparing the paperwork and evidence - resulted in things like: being told we were wasting everyone's time, being screamed at by chairs and course supervisors who felt we should be less "rigid" or that any plagiarism at all was a reflection of our poor teaching, being asked if we needed therapy because "maybe you just need to accept that your students are learning from you," abhorrent behavior and / or statements from the accused student(s) that led to more institutional shrugging, non-renewed teaching contracts or other penalties if our "prosecution" of the students resulted in poor evaluations or a number of F's in the course above a certain threshold, and ultimately, few or no consequences for the students.

So, in a sense, working as a professor could also be described as "earning money helping people cheat." The difference, of course, being that adjuncts don't really earn any money.

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Lout324 t1_jc4gf60 wrote

Again, this just seems like a rhetorical justification: 'system stinks, might as well profit." How do you grapple with the day to day reality of "everybody cheats, my job is to explicitly help them. Look, I get it, spineless department chairs will rollover.

How do you all personally feel about shrugging your shoulders and just helping people cheat explicitly? You've crossed a line that you keep rationilizing away.

I hope your warrants you charge for in your writing are more cogent than the word games you've played here.

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burglin t1_jc4nbor wrote

I agree with you—in the non-answer, we have our answer. Not that I think that what this guy doing is cut-and-dry morally wrong, but the point stands.

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Faptain__Marvel t1_jckuvw5 wrote

It seems you don't like the answer, but the answer is pretty explicit.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

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