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nicoco3890 t1_iulzffk wrote

>Swiss democracy solves the war problem. Do you think people would vote for war if asked in a referendum?

Yes. Yes they would, if the casus belli was good enough or the target abhorrent enough, in a heartbeat.

In ancient Athens, where direct democracy was in place, all wars were declared by a vote of the citizens. They often declared disadvantageous wars because people aren’t strategists and feel strongly in the moment.

« Macedon demanded a higher tribute » « How offensive/disgusting! War it is! »

« Afghanistan did 9/11! » « We must avenge ourselves! »

« Poland hold our ancestral land » « How horrible! We must Free our Folks! »

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watchamn t1_ium0rd4 wrote

We can't compare direct democracy with modern democracy because of the people, the quantity of people and the media that has a massive influence on the population, and the modern perspective that we have after WW2. Nonetheless, War is necessary and legittimate as a mean to defend the nation, every single european country has a "normativa space" for cases like that.

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nicoco3890 t1_ium2bcp wrote

« We can’t compare two different systems with different context » that both had the same result

Maybe because the point was that there was a third exterior factor « skewing » the results, like that people often want to go to war.

OP’s Thesis: People would not want to vote themselves into a war.

Facts: people did 2000+years ago, they would now, and will always be willing to do it.

OP is acting like Switzerland is Neutral because of their political system, when in fact it has no bearing on it, and the relevant analysis is through a geopolitical lens.

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Niphilim83 t1_ium0bt8 wrote

Sure.. usa and other countries that likes wars.. but most wouldnt

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Akegata t1_ium2si2 wrote

But the problem wouldn't be solved if "only" "usa and other countries that like war" would start wars, would it?
That would in fact be exactly the same situation we are in today. Most countries don't start wars. In fact, very few countries start or participate in wars.

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nicoco3890 t1_ium0veq wrote

Which means it didn’t « solve » war.

The other countries are not starting wars now either

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Niphilim83 t1_ium162l wrote

So it would probably work now, when most people are civilized. People do t want war, leaders do..

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nicoco3890 t1_ium2sgj wrote

People want revenge, people want honor, people want justice, people want food. War is merely the method of obtaining any one of those, all you need is a leader to convince the people it is the best way to go about it, and that is extremely easy. It was true two thousand years ago, and is still true today. People wanted the Afghan Invasion.

Swiss democracy in no way « solves » this problem.

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13ventrm t1_iuly2d5 wrote

How would the existing power structures be changed when it's specifically in the interests of those with the power to keep it as such?

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Segler1970 t1_ium07yi wrote

How would you deal with decisions far too complicated to answer yes or no / for or against?

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SlypEUW t1_ium0fd3 wrote

From what I’ve seen, Switzerland have some pretty big racism issue right now. What do you think of it in relation to the country having this good of a democracy ?

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Frontrunner453 t1_iulyczv wrote

Have you considered doing this AMA in r/EnlightenedCentrism?

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briefnuts t1_iulzctt wrote

Do they not have webdesigners and copywriters in Switzerland?

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talon1580 t1_ium40tb wrote

How many people are in your movement?

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LU90 t1_ium8fm5 wrote

Why am I so fat?

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Matt872000 t1_iulxi15 wrote

I really like this idea and at least in Canada, where I come from, there is desperate need for democratic reform. However, how would you deal with issues of uneducated public?

Something, for example, like people in whatever province not knowing what is the jurisdiction of the federal and provincial governments.

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hey_now24 t1_ium0gun wrote

Do you still live with your parents?

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