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I write the daily 10 Things in Tech newsletter. Recently, it’s been filled with layoff news, but it includes a wide range of topics: Big Tech, new gadgets, startups, electric vehicles, and more fun areas.

I reported on Big Tech careers before joining the tech analysis team, where I still focus on careers. Now, I help people make sense of what’s going on when news breaks.

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ITinMN t1_j8tdw85 wrote

Do you think some people were pushed so they would quit rather than needing to be laid off?

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BusinessInsider OP t1_j8ti1bz wrote

Hey there! Great question. I definitely do think people were pushed — there’s even evidence of it happening at a bunch of companies like Google, Facebook, etcetera. Some of these companies implemented harsher performance reviews and set a mandatory percentage of employees who needed to be put on performance-improvements plans (aka PIPs). PIPs are often a first, required step before being fired at many companies.

I reported a story with my colleague Kali Hays about how this practice is really beneficial for employers, while hurting workers: https://www.businessinsider.com/big-tech-using-quiet-layoffs-helping-companies-and-hurting-workers-2022-10?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=IAmA-comment

And here are some company-specific stories from Insider about what this looks like in practice:https://www.businessinsider.com/google-layoffs-performance-rating-jobs-2022-11?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=IAmA-commenthttps://www.businessinsider.com/meta-layoffs-doubles-target-lowest-performance-ratings-non-regrettable-attrition-2022-12?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=IAmA-comment

-DNS

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FlamingoLady28 t1_j8ubon1 wrote

How is this ethical?

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HemHaw t1_j8xqps7 wrote

It isnt?

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FlamingoLady28 t1_j8zp9vo wrote

I was being sarcastic. Sorry I definitely didn’t covey that 🤣 Because companies that claim to be so ethical and caring are doing this. I work for a big corporation, 50K employees, and I see this shit all the time. I’m getting pushed a bit myself.

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HemHaw t1_j8zpr80 wrote

I get it. I have definitely been there. Having worked in IT for nearly 20 years, this thread definitely made me feel that weariness.

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Snoo_5658 t1_j8tem41 wrote

A family member was recently laid off and the company (pre-ipo) said publicly that all layoffs were due to performance though this was not the case for my family member and a lot of senior (higher paid) employees were cut from her team.

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For my family member and those in similar situations, how would you recommend they address this layoff in hiring interviews to avoid getting low-balled by prospective employers?

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BusinessInsider OP t1_j8tj27v wrote

I’m so sorry to hear that your family member was recently laid off.

This is definitely a tricky situation. I would advise people in this situation to acknowledge what the company said but to push back on that narrative applying to them — basically let your work speak for itself. Companies can say what they want (especially to appease stakeholders) but they can’t take away the work you’ve accomplished.

Here’s an example of it happening to former Reddit employees: https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-job-cuts-employees-livid-company-painting-them-low-performers-2023-2?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=IAmA-comment

And to avoid getting low-balled — regardless if you’ve been laid off or not — do your research! There are a bunch of resources out there to help you find out how much you should be paid (levels.fyi, Insider does salary stories, Blind, and even job listings themselves after salary transparency laws). But I’ll also caution that compensation is starting to look much lower than before, given the tech industry turmoil (here’s a story my colleagues did on this btw: https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-laid-off-in-big-tech-have-to-take-jobs-with-less-pay-prestige-2023-2?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=IAmA-comment). So definitely just do as much research as possible and make sure that you keep advocating for yourself.

-DNS

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PeanutSalsa t1_j8tn3tm wrote

What have been the reasons for these layoffs by tech companies and them all happening around the same time?

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BusinessInsider OP t1_j8tpw8o wrote

Hey! This is a pretty big question. There are a few main factors fueling these layoffs, but the driving factor is that companies are trying to recover from their pandemic-fueled hiring sprees.

During the pandemic, tech companies were seen as way more valuable (on the stock market, with record-high prices) due to the sudden, virtual nature of everything. But now that people are increasingly in-person, their stock values (and thus their company values too) have gone down.

When things were really good at tech companies, they were paying top dollar for talent and staffing up at ridiculous rates. But they grew too much too quickly, so many are now downsizing.

But! Here’s the plot-twist — do these massive companies actually need to lay people off to become profitable? Probably not. But these massive cuts appease investors who are getting nervous about their investments not making them as much money.

To be ultra-clear, companies are still profiting. They’re just not profiting as much as Wall Street would like. So when one company is making cuts, it’s easier for other companies to justify doing so too.

Headcount change versus stock price change is a pretty good indicator btw of possibly predicting whether a company might cut headcount. I made this chart last year, but it remains a relevant metric: https://www.businessinsider.com/chart-shows-most-unsustainable-tech-company-compensation-plans-rsus-equity-2022-5?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=IAmA-comment

-DNS

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TylerJWhit t1_j8thak7 wrote

I saw this article by Insider the other day, I am curious if you would concur with what Recruiters are saying: https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-company-layoffs-pay-salary-cuts-remote-work-recruiter-power-2023-2

Are you seeing the negative effects of these layoffs as outlined by the Harvard Business Review? https://hbr.org/podcast/2023/02/why-many-companies-get-layoffs-wrong

How are businesses shifting their tech strategies long term? I see a lot of discussion about pulling back on their migrations to the cloud. I am concerned that this will result in increasingly aged hardware and software and a lack of High Availability in major critical infrastructure. Would you agree with those concerns, or are there other aspects along these veins that you think would be good to know?

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BusinessInsider OP t1_j8tmwdl wrote

Hey there! This is a bunch of questions haha, so I’m going to break it down with a bullet or so for each q

- I saw that article too. And it definitely matches up with what I’ve heard from my recent chats with recruiters.

- There are definitely negative impacts of these layoffs. And we’ve already started seeing that across companies. I think Twitter is an extreme but perfect example of this: things are breaking on the front-end, employee morale is pretty low, and entire (vital) teams are missing.

- The experts and tech industry people who I’ve chatted with have pointed a few major long-term shifts. Most notably, there’s a focus on efficiency over innovation (like how multiple Big Tech companies have shuttered their moonshot branches). But at the same time, they can’t ignore how the tech industry keeps innovating. Generative AI (thanks to ChatGPT) for example is a curveball that they definitely weren’t prepping for a few months ago. Yet a lot of these companies are now scrambling to react to it.

- I totally agree with your concerns. Cloud is getting hit pretty hard right now, and it ties back into your question about the negative effects of layoffs — this is definitely one of them. Within Big Tech alone, cloud spending has decreased a bunch (my teammate Paayal Zaveri wrote about it here: https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-amazon-google-cloud-business-lower-spending-growth-slowed-charts-2023-2?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=IAmA-comment) And it’s especially pronounced since digital transformation was such a buzzword during the pandemic tech boom. But optimistically, this cool-off likely won’t last forever. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella even predicted that the sector could rebound as soon as this year: https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-ceo-earnings-azure-slowdown-cloud-bounce-back-2023-1?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=IAmA-comment1

-DNS

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TylerJWhit t1_j8tsmzo wrote

That's one aspect that seems striking that you touched on. The market is definitely hot with inflation, causing a lot of uncertainty, but the layoffs just do not make sense and appear to be a large overreaction that doesn't match the market.

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migschmi t1_j8uvwzz wrote

Do you see any notable companies going in the opposite direction? Hiring more snd picking up this cut talent?

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knbknb t1_j927vz0 wrote

Since 2015, BusinessInsider is owned by Axel Springer SE. Has this German Corporation exerted any influence, or shaping the corporate culture in a particular way?

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davinitupoverhere t1_j8tn80z wrote

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-DNS

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blue_suede_wade t1_j8x3sfc wrote

We always hear about automation taking away supposedly menial jobs, such as frontward facing service industry jobs, industrial manufacturing, etc. With the advent of AI, do you see any possibility of management and corporate ownership being automated? Like, to me it seems like if I am supposed to imagine my doctor being a robot I can way more easily see any old business owner or CEO being one

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Ok-Feedback5604 t1_j8yn26e wrote

What's your opinion on chatgpt get common in near future?

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stingrayerr t1_j90h4jw wrote

Is the tech industry in a contraction cycle due to job displacement because of advanced AI?

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kvlnkyl t1_j8yeels wrote

I want to start webinars for CTO. What topics would you advise to cover?

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