HashtagLawlAndOrder t1_jby6izc wrote on March 12, 2023 at 5:12 PM

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Could you explain to me how Rebels is the EU?

sade1212 t1_jbyiog2 wrote on March 12, 2023 at 6:35 PM

>which Kenobi promptly ruins

If we're only considering the EU, Obi-Wan Kenobi isn't included so it doesn't ruin anything. If we're considering the new canon, Rebels did a similar thing nearly a decade before Kenobi.

Most importantly... Why would everyone in the whole Star Wars galaxy nickname their droids in any kind of consistent way anyway? What's the value in doing it the exact same way as it was done in the first movie every single time, besides sheer self-referential backpatting? It'd be ludicrous to suggest in-universe that, presented with "LO-LA59", anyone would go for "Ello Ellay Fivenine" or similar over "Lola".

HashtagLawlAndOrder t1_jbyrwsd wrote on March 12, 2023 at 7:39 PM

The new material ruining things the EU established has been going on since, well, the EU was discarded in favor of new material.

As for "why would everyone...?", because they did. Decades of EU material followed the convention.

EDIT: Ah, I see you single downvoting everything I'm writing here. Petty of you, but let me do it right back.

sade1212 t1_jbz0z52 wrote on March 12, 2023 at 8:42 PM

So you've now moved the goalposts from OWK back to any of the "new material" - does that include TCW too, a show with the exact same creator as Rebels? Are we going to go back over 15 years to the good old days when Star Wars wasn't ruined because it improbably had all characters follow one specific droid nicknaming convention, just for the sake of it?

This must be the absolute tiniest, silliest nitpick I've seen yet. It's also not even true - G0-T0 in KOTOR 2 is "Goto", not "Geeo Teeo" or whatever, the exact same pattern as "L0-LA" becoming "Lola". Did KOTOR 2 ruin the EU?

HashtagLawlAndOrder t1_jbztxvd wrote on March 13, 2023 at 12:12 AM

>Tell me you never read the EU without telling me you never read the EU.

>No droid in the EU broke that convention to my knowledge - their names were their alphanumeric designations, but written out as proper nouns to humanize them.

>Could you explain to me how Rebels is the EU?

>The new material ruining things the EU established has been going on since, well, the EU was discarded in favor of new material.

"MoVeD tHe GoAlPoStS"

Your lack of reading comprehension and penchant for arguing is not my problem.

Also, you're dishonest. G0-T0 created a false identity using a hologram, named Goto, and made everyone think the hologram was actually the head smuggler while G0-T0 was simply Goto's droid. That is why the name "Goto" was used. Like, you knew that, if you're citing KOTOR 2 (unless you never played it?).

sade1212 t1_jc059xz wrote on March 13, 2023 at 1:41 AM

Yes, I played KOTOR 2, and as I recall Goto is still pronounced Goto even after you find out he's really a droid. Maybe I am misremembering, it's been a few years.

The goalpost move is when you went from "Kenobi ruined it" to "[anything that's not the old EU] ruined it". I don't know what you're hoping to achieve by quoting all the times you mentioned the EU after that.

Here: I'll concede that, every single droid in any Star Wars material released prior to 2014 did not receive a nickname of any form except the exact same one as R2 and 3PO (Goto doesn't count because he was trying to hide he was a droid, and RX-24/Rex doesn't count because he's from a theme park ride, and gonk/GNK and mouse/MSE don't count because they're clearly fairly clunkily reverse-engineered and are names for groups rather than individuals, and BLX-5/"Bollux" doesn't count because the Brain Daley Han Solo novels were written so early on and his model number was a later addition, and all the various droids who were given nicknames with no relation to their model numbers whatsoever like "Mynock"/"Jawaswag"/"Catch" don't count either because that's not quite the same thing - and "Mynock" becoming "Gate" instead of "Gee Eight" also doesn't count because, well, I know you said "fully pronounced" before but that's close enough, right) and that the subsequent deviation from this inexplicable but essential Star Wars tradition has made the franchise worse.

HashtagLawlAndOrder t1_jc0co46 wrote on March 13, 2023 at 2:40 AM

Right - the character is introduced as "Goto" on deception, and the game doesn't change his name hours into the story over a technicality.

Also, no, since I was replying to a guy who admitted having read none of the EU. I pointed out the most recent example of it being ruined, without a pedantic breakdown of the EU and its subsequent scrubbing and replacement, because I wasn't yet talking to a pedant.

And thanks for the concession. I'll take your snark as a symptom of your poor social skills.

sade1212 t1_jc0eyqj wrote on March 13, 2023 at 2:58 AM

We're arguing back on forth on the details of how Star Wars droid naming conventions have changed over time on reddit dot com, so I'm pretty sure that relative to normal, well-adjusted human beings, neither of us have any business claiming the high horse on social anything.

I'm unsure why you addressed GOTO for a second time - jokes aside I can see how the unique circumstances make it a bit of an edge case - but not any of the other examples I brought up in the last post. Or, again, why this extremely esoteric detail is a "ruination" of anything, or how it could even possibly make sense for no one in the entire Star Wars galaxy to ever happen to use a different method to come up with a designation-based droid nickname.