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MtPollux t1_ituald6 wrote

The coroner's job isn't to check for signs of life. By the time someone gets to the coroner they've already been pronounced dead by a doctor.

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Shiroiken t1_itv4nqa wrote

Depends on the location. In some areas (especially rural counties) the coroner provides official "statement of death," and the body's supposed to remain in place until they can do so. Happened to a neighbor when her grandson ODed in her bathroom, and they wouldn't let her back in the house for several hours until she arrived.

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mr78rpm t1_itvaruc wrote

Wouldn't let her back in the house until she arrived....

That's the normal course of events.

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houstonyoureaproblem t1_itv3jbf wrote

Also, cross examination questions aren’t yes or no. They lead to either yes or no.

So not “Did you check the victim’s pulse?” but “You didn’t check the victim’s pulse, did you?”

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thisissuchbsffs t1_itvbv4f wrote

Not true. Cross-examination is questions based on direct examination. Either one of your questions would be fine, provided the attorney before on direct had asked if the victim had a pulse.

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houstonyoureaproblem t1_itvdxro wrote

Sigh.

You’re correct that cross examination questions have to be within the scope of the topics discussed on direct examination.

I was taking about the form of the question. Many people including a number of attorneys don’t understand the difference between cross and direct. On direct, questions like my second example are prohibited because they lead to a specific answer. Those kinds of questions are only permitted on cross.

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thisissuchbsffs t1_itvha5d wrote

I mean I've transcribed thousands of hours of legal proceedings and can't remember a specific instance where an objection to form was raised because in this case, but I'll keep an ear peeled 🤣

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Orion-AK t1_ityg6gw wrote

Upvote for being a court reporter AND your name, for fucks sake. 😂

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houstonyoureaproblem t1_itvi878 wrote

I’m an attorney, and I deal with it all the time.

The rules on leading are incredibly relaxed in state court proceedings, likely because many people don’t really understand the rule. But it’s a different story in federal court. I’ve seen judges end direct examination by federal prosecutors when they continued to ask leading questions over objection.

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Ben_Hocking t1_itzr26c wrote

IANAL, but I'm assuming that while you're not allowed to ask leading questions during direct examination, you are allowed to not ask leading questions during cross-examination. If I'm understanding u/thisissuchbsffs correctly, I think that's what she was referring to.

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houstonyoureaproblem t1_itzv4hc wrote

Fair enough. That would be terrible cross examination and likely put you and your client in a bad spot, but I’d say you’re right that a prosecutor wouldn’t want to interrupt if a defense attorney was screwing things up that badly.

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Ben_Hocking t1_itzzh05 wrote

I'm not sure how non-leading yes/no questions would screw things up, assuming you knew the answer to the yes/no question ahead of time. (And if you don't, then the leading question might actually be worse, in my non-lawyer opinion.) To use your example, I don't see a significant difference (under cross-examination) between the two questions:

>So not “Did you check the victim’s pulse?” but “You didn’t check the victim’s pulse, did you?”

Again, I recognize that you know more than I do and have vastly more experience in the court than I do*, so I admit ahead of time that I might be missing something.

*My experience is limited to unsuccessfully fighting a traffic ticket when I was a young adult and serving on two juries.

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houstonyoureaproblem t1_iu076hy wrote

Typically speaking, cross examination is an effort to develop testimony that supports your theory of the case or makes specific points you believe are important.

The idea is to ask specific questions that you know the witness will have to answer a particular way. Leading questions allow you to guide the witness where you want to go. Direct questions are open-ended and often allow the witness to explain things in greater detail.

It's all strategy, but I can assure you asking direct questions on cross-examination isn't a good approach. But you're absolutely right--Rule #1 is to be sure not to ask questions if you don't already know how the witness will answer.

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peacetoall1969 t1_ituf7zb wrote

Okay, you made your point Esq.

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Waitsfornoone t1_itugyww wrote

... and pretty much missed the joke.

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[deleted] t1_itum4ao wrote

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diablito916 t1_itutlkh wrote

part of the point of the joke is that the coroner has nothing to do with checking for signs of life

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LadeeAlana OP t1_itvufkz wrote

I think it's pretty obvious that this joke was never intended to be realistic. Repeat to yourself, it's just a joke, I should really just relax.

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MtPollux t1_itxfsdn wrote

Don't worry, I'm relaxed. If the joke were actually funny I probably wouldn't have even thought about if it was realistic or not.

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3600MilesAway t1_itxih3n wrote

Coroners most certainly pronounce people dead when it’s outside of a hospital setting.

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