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Laurenhynde82 t1_j24ond9 wrote

Reply to comment by orangemaroon25 in What’s the difference between an American girl and an Iranian girl? by vartha

The term gaslighting is over-used on the internet, but this really does take the cake.

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orangemaroon25 t1_j24vuce wrote

Thanks for this useful contribution. /s

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Laurenhynde82 t1_j24w3yu wrote

No, thank you for completely diminishing the impact on American womens’ bodily autonomy, and denying that this is a remotely concerning move.

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orangemaroon25 t1_j24xh6c wrote

I didn't do that though.

I never said the first thing about anyone's bodily autonomy, chiefly because that isn't relevant to this discussion since it isn't affected by restricting abortion. I certainly never denied that it was a concerning move. I just said it's not as bad as some of you doom scrollers are making it sound and certainly not as bad as an actually theocratic country like Iran.

Go back and read the actual words that I actually said and respond only to those, not to whatever you think I said or want me to have said to fit your chosen narrative that makes me your opponent.

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Laurenhynde82 t1_j25432f wrote

Bodily autonomy isn’t affected by restricting abortion? You just keep digging yourself deeper. American government is literally limiting access to healthcare for women for ideological and religious reasons. As has been demonstrated in the last few months, those who achieved this limitation do not wish to stop at restricting abortion access (and there is now clinical data on how the change in law has risked the lives of women unnecessarily). So arguing that America is not heading down a road where rights are curtailed and risked due to religious beliefs is ignoring the obvious, no matter how dismissive you wish to be.

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orangemaroon25 t1_j257eqi wrote

>95% of the time women do not get pregnant without having already exercised their bodily autonomy. The choice already happened.

Abortion is not healthcare. It can't be, by definition, because it literally destroys life. This is a known fact of science, so please don't try and argue with it.

These limitations are not coming from religious reasons though. The Supreme Court explained why Roe v Wade was wrong in the first place and why they overturned it and none of this is necessarily about religious reasons. The limitations came from Constitutional reasons, which is what the Court is supposed to do.

That's why I'm arguing that nobody is restricting rights for religious reasons, because they're not.

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Laurenhynde82 t1_j259w7k wrote

You are incredibly ignorant and incredibly wrong. Care to share where your knowledge of pregnancy and abortion comes from? I’m going to take a wild guess you don’t work in maternity - handily enough I do.

Abortion absolutely is healthcare. Do you know even remotely what you’re talking about it? Do you know abortifacients are used when a miscarriage does not happen fully, when there’s an ectopic or extra uterine pregnancy, when a pregnancy cannot be continued for maternal or foetal medical reasons?

Do you understand the risks to a woman’s life and long term health where pregnancy is concerned, especially a complex or high risk pregnancy?

Do you know that abortion laws in some states are preventing doctors from treating women with intrauterine death, risk of sepsis, women who need chemotherapy or urgent abdominal surgery or other conditions not compatible with continuing pregnancy, or extremely early labour well before the point of viability even though those babies cannot survive?

Are you saying that 98% of pregnancies are consensual and planned? If so, there wouldn’t be much call for abortion would there, aside from termination for medical reasons, so why restrict it? Obviously you’re absolutely incorrect on that point, of course - but we can get into a discussion on how pregnancy occurs and therefore who is in control of that if you like.

It’s entirely disingenuous to say that the reasons are not religious, as you well know.

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