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aidv t1_j4avcur wrote

Reply to comment by NoPause9252 in [D] Is MusicGPT a viable possibility? by markhachman

Parameter count does not dictate output originality.

Nothing does.

No AI so far generates original output.

AI’s so for are only math based relational machines.

The output will always be as good as the input data, never better.

Humans however have proven time and time again, every day, ever since inception of creation of life, that it is capable of learning little input and create large output that it was never trained on.

There’s something more fundamentally complex going on that gives us the capability to create original data. At least data that is so far away from the derived data that it no longer looks like the input data at all.

This is called: abstraction.

AI’s are not capable of abstraction… yet.

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NoPause9252 t1_j4avhxt wrote

You are of course technically correct. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that sufficiently different but still derivative work is possible to generate.

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aidv t1_j4avwif wrote

That’s when we get into the legal greyzone area, which overlaps the concept of: genre.

A lotmof music sound alike. The idea or concept of a music style can be derived easily, without necessarily conflicting with the legalities of the original music.

So derived music is derived music, via AI or human, but is it similar enough to be considered plagiarism or simply inspiration?

That’s the discussion that people miss to discuss, and also something that people simply ignore.

The future of AI art will be interesting from a legal aspeect too.

There’ll be some interesting AI related lawsuits coming up in the future.

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NoPause9252 t1_j4aw4vc wrote

You seem to be knowledgeable on the domain (checked also your reddit profile). Would you know of any past court cases where artists accused someone of stealing their ideas (along with court decisions)? I would like to fine time my brain's parameters on this topic J

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aidv t1_j4ay2t3 wrote

I run an AI audio startup. Ten years ago I fought a legal case against a major music label concerning one of my original songs, out of court.

We simply settled without taking it to court, because: who has the energy anyways.

Evidence was strong on my side. My arguments were strong.

Given that I have personaöly been through this legal process, I am extremely curious about the legalities around music AI’s.

More so around voice AI’s that directly imitate artists voices, and purposefulky intend to sound like the original artist with zero goals of only ”deriving”.

Think about. It’s about to get wild out there.

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nullbyte420 t1_j4f72e8 wrote

Guy doesn't know anything about it. There are many famous copyright claim lawsuits in music. Chuck Berry vs The beatles is a cool one I think. Lana del Rey vs I can't remember is a more recent case 🙂 I'm sure you can find a list of famous copyright cases in music.

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