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TristanDuboisOLG t1_jcf82kl wrote

As someone that lived with 2 high school teachers for 10y+, later start times don’t make sense. Lots of people argue that with later start times will make students ready to learn because they’ll have more sleep and be ready for classes.

As someone that had college classes in the afternoon, most people simply stay up later and offset whatever benefits they would have seen in the first place. I’ve seen it in schools as well. If they do move the start time back, you may also see pushback from parents that can’t afford to stick around in the morning to make sure the kids actually make it to school. Part of what made COVID hard was the amount of pushback parents gave from remote learning. Lots of the outbreaks happened when parents were angry that the kids were home all the time and not being babysat a the schools. So, they yelled at the school board, kids went back, kids got sick again, kids went home.

There will be pushback for pushing start times back and I don’t think you’ll see the value you think you will.

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FITM-K t1_jcfg981 wrote

> most people simply stay up later and offset whatever benefits they would have seen in the first place

Yes, I'm sure none of the studies on this subject ever considered this...

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Sixfeatsmall05 t1_jcfbftm wrote

Shhh they don’t want to hear this, they just want to point to the study that says “optimal learning” and ignore all other factors

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TristanDuboisOLG t1_jcfbu92 wrote

“I choose to believe my own statistics even though correlation /= causation”

See this all the time.

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determania t1_jcfgckj wrote

The research showing the benefit of later start times is pretty overwhelming. I think you may be the one choosing to believe your own “statistics” here.

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Sixfeatsmall05 t1_jcftrk8 wrote

But we are pointing out all the realities of the situation that make also factor into the equation. A later start time would improve their learning, but learning is not currently failing so you then need to say what would be the cost of this incremental adjustment, and that’s where all of these other points come in. Then it’s a cost benefit of “is this incremental improvement worth getting rid of school sports, screwing up bussing etc” to which we are saying no it’s not worth it. No one is arguing with the premise of the data we are arguing whether the implementation is worth it

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determania t1_jcfving wrote

The comment I was responding to was just straight up accusing people in favor of later start times of misinterpretation of studies which is a bad argument imo. You are making a completely different bad argument here. Sports are good for kids, but I cannot agree that they should take preference over learning. Bussing is an issue, but to act like it can’t be solved and kids have to start school unreasonably early just strikes me as a lazy argument.

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