Sixfeatsmall05 t1_jcfbftm wrote on March 16, 2023 at 12:55 PM

Reply to comment by TristanDuboisOLG in Do you think Maine should mandate later start times for high schools? by benpinette

Shhh they don’t want to hear this, they just want to point to the study that says “optimal learning” and ignore all other factors

TristanDuboisOLG t1_jcfbu92 wrote on March 16, 2023 at 12:58 PM

“I choose to believe my own statistics even though correlation /= causation”

See this all the time.

determania t1_jcfgckj wrote on March 16, 2023 at 1:34 PM

The research showing the benefit of later start times is pretty overwhelming. I think you may be the one choosing to believe your own “statistics” here.

Sixfeatsmall05 t1_jcftrk8 wrote on March 16, 2023 at 3:07 PM

But we are pointing out all the realities of the situation that make also factor into the equation. A later start time would improve their learning, but learning is not currently failing so you then need to say what would be the cost of this incremental adjustment, and that’s where all of these other points come in. Then it’s a cost benefit of “is this incremental improvement worth getting rid of school sports, screwing up bussing etc” to which we are saying no it’s not worth it. No one is arguing with the premise of the data we are arguing whether the implementation is worth it

determania t1_jcfving wrote on March 16, 2023 at 3:19 PM

The comment I was responding to was just straight up accusing people in favor of later start times of misinterpretation of studies which is a bad argument imo. You are making a completely different bad argument here. Sports are good for kids, but I cannot agree that they should take preference over learning. Bussing is an issue, but to act like it can’t be solved and kids have to start school unreasonably early just strikes me as a lazy argument.