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Antnee83 OP t1_iu3rbao wrote

> The proposal would require automakers to make wireless repair and diagnostic information available to independent shops in Maine. Only car manufacturers and dealerships have access to data collected by the wireless technology that is in most new vehicles today.

> That means many consumers need to take their cars to a dealership to diagnose and fix a problem, leaving independent shops out of the loop, said Tim Winkeler, president of VIP Tires and Service in Maine.

This also has broader implications and can help ensure that products sold here are not locked behind an impenetrable wall of DRM.


BachRodham t1_iu3t46x wrote

>> said Tim Winkeler, president of VIP Tires and Service in Maine

Man, they really should have picked a different guy to be the public face for this.


Antnee83 OP t1_iu3td60 wrote

Ha, yeah no doubt.

Still, I will take a win for consumers.


metalandmeeples t1_iu42foy wrote

Tim Winkeler is a good guy. I worked with him many years ago when he first came to VIP and he was the kind of executive that would strike up a conversation with any employee and show genuine interest beyond pointless small talk.


MathematicianGlum880 t1_iu43406 wrote

VIP is the worst. Changed rotors on a three year old Honda. They weren’t even bad, so I took them back and told them they did work I didn’t need done. They look for stuff. Then years later, I had my mothers car and it needed an inspection so I took it there as it was available. They stuck a piece of metal in the brake pad. I saw them looking and looking at the engine (not needed for inspection) and I knew. Car never gave me issues until I drove it from that place. Never went back.


metalandmeeples t1_iu439qs wrote

Which location? It was unfortunately hit or miss.


Adventurous_Lion_919 t1_iu6yjjy wrote

VIP really is. Used to go to them just for the convenience of getting in the next day, but after they charged my mother almost $200 for 8 lugnuts (roughly $27 a piece) after a simple brake job, I refuse to give them another penny.


eljefino t1_iu48sb6 wrote

Say what you will, they're among the largest independent chains of shops.

My new prius has a 4G connection to Toyota motherland, so if I ever get a check engine light, they'll know about it. I can't disable it without also killing my hands-free phone-- I've tried. I told Toyota to ignore my car but you know how that goes...


Sufficient_Risk1684 t1_iu529c1 wrote

How about the vehicle owner?....


Antnee83 OP t1_iu5cra7 wrote

I don't know what you're asking here.


Sufficient_Risk1684 t1_iu5ssd0 wrote

Does the proposal allow owners to get the information to do their own repairs, or just businesses?


Antnee83 OP t1_iu5tz45 wrote


I don't know. I imagine it would be confined to ASE certified techs or some shit.


raynedanser t1_iu41z89 wrote

As someone married to an independent shop owner, this would be good. He's had to turn away work because it's beyond what his computers can do. It's frustrating for him and the vehicle owners.


FITM-K t1_iu4bumq wrote

Oh hell yeah, I'll sign the fuck out of this. Even if it is also supported by the absolute crooks at VIP lol.


i_cant_sports t1_iu4dupb wrote

We're all on the same side regardless, since this would also help ensure continued business for the small independent shops lots of us trust.


DidDunMegasploded t1_iu4b68b wrote

I had never heard a single thing about this until three people outside Market Basket approached us about it.

And I read the news all the time, so either I'm uneducated or this is a mole in Whack-a-Mole that popped up only a mere few weeks before Election Day.


FITM-K t1_iu4c1zc wrote

It's something they're trying to get on the ballot for next year, not related to the Election Day that's coming up.


DidDunMegasploded t1_iu50gvr wrote

Ah...yeah, disregarding that last bit lol. I had forgotten they made mention of that when I came across them.


theora55 t1_iu4pynt wrote

I wish it covered more than vehicles, but I broke my policy on not signing for paid signature gatherers to sign it.


General_Krull t1_iu4mqcv wrote

Where do I sign? Was hoping the article might have a link to sign online? Is that a thing?


FITM-K t1_iu5mxek wrote

For a ballot initiative no, I'm pretty sure it has to be in person physical signatures


eljefino t1_iubdurb wrote

I signed a petition last week outside Market Basket in Westbrook!


Rice_A_Roni_W t1_iu5w7wm wrote

Oh I did this at the town dump the other day. I normally ignore those. But I stopped, the kid was super nice


Expert_Drama9374 t1_iu4ttpt wrote

They were canvassing in Biddeford at the Market Basket a few weeks ago. Signed it there.


JustDubbinAround t1_iubepjm wrote

The more I read about the kind of anti-consumer bullshit they're pulling with new cars, the more I figure buying my next car will involve a trip out west, outside of the salt belt, to get something that's at least 20 years old.


SnooMarzipans2939 t1_iu4p7ky wrote

For what we pay for car insurance it should cover mechanical and electrical repairs too. I bet if that was the case a dependable car would be more affordable


mainedpc t1_iu4q2cp wrote

No thanks. We've combined catastrophic insurance with routine prepaid healthcare in the US for the last 70 years here. Look how well that's turned out.


eljefino t1_iube0ds wrote

You can buy an extended warranty for that. In fact I've been trying to reach you...


janmichaelvintage t1_iu5lj6z wrote

That's becoming the case with inflation and the cost of replacement parts.