Submitted by MeanFluffyBunny t3_ydk2h7 in Maine
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_ituo1bl wrote
Reply to comment by Mergus84 in Advice after dog attack by MeanFluffyBunny
His fucking dog was in my yard this am. I literally have to carry a gun in my own yard. Waiting for the sheriff as we speak. Not fucking around with this asshole.
AssumptionLivid6879 t1_ituwdeu wrote
Call animal control to collect that “lab-mix”
MeanFluffyBunny OP t1_iu0bw3b wrote
Animal control is still MIA. I’ve called 7 times and explained to them my dog nearly died, the offending dog shit in my yard yesterday and I fear for my safety on my property. Nbd I guess. I think I should call state police if no one reaches out to me in the next hour
Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee t1_iu026dw wrote
Don't breed blame. Its not the breed its the owners every time.
DobermanCavalry t1_iu224ow wrote
I’m hoping this is sarcasm but its so hard to tell….
Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee t1_iu48wec wrote
Here are the organizations that agree Breed Specific Laws are bullshit;
>American Veterinary Medical Association, the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior, the ASPCA, the CDC, the American Bar Association, the American Kennel Club, the National Animal Care & Control Association, the National Canine Research Council, the Humane Society.
So no, not sarcasm. Imagine disagreeing with this group on animal laws and right.
DobermanCavalry t1_iu4mfnn wrote
Did you actually read any of those? Most of them say it does not work because you cant effectively identify what breed a dog is visually in all cases. That CDC link in particular said Pit Bull/Rottweilers accounted for over half all fatalities. Two breeds, HALF of all fatalities. There are hundreds of breeds of dogs....
Listen, I love dogs, but theres only one type of dog that you see in the news that is killing multiple kids, and ripping the arms of mothers who try to intervene. Its not Dobermans (who actually are misunderstood and are safe dogs), its not Akitas, its not Golden Retrievers or Chihuahuas. So yeah, people can continue saying "its AlwaYs the owNeR" but you don't see Great Danes snapping and killing multiple kids and parents.
Are Pit Bulls the only dogs who have bad owners?
https://time.com/2891180/kfc-and-the-pit-bull-attack-of-a-little-girl/
>Pit bulls make up only 6% of the dog population, but they’re responsible for 68% of dog attacks and 52% of dog-related deaths since 1982, according to research compiled by Merritt Clifton, editor of Animals 24-7, an animal-news organization that focuses on humane work and animal-cruelty prevention.
>Another report published in the April 2011 issue of Annals of Surgery found that one person is killed by a pit bull every 14 days, two people are injured by a pit bull every day, and young children are especially at risk. The report concludes that “these breeds should be regulated in the same way in which other dangerous species, such as leopards, are regulated.”
Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee t1_iu55r2f wrote
No actually, the CDC says the misreporting of breeds makes pitbulls and Rottweilers abnormally higher in their statistics. Please go read it again, as the CDC specifically states it is against BLS.
CDC doesn’t gather the statistics, they analyze them. They’re pointing out that human bias ruins the data leading to incorrect conclusions on breeds.
If you can’t understand the study - apparently - you can read the analysis from one of the other major organizations.
Again, fault of the owner. Not the breeds.
> The CDC strongly recommends against breed-specific laws in its oft-cited study of fatal dog attacks, noting that data collection related to bites by breed is fraught with potential sources of error (Sacks et al., 2000).
As the American Veterinarian Medical Association explains;
> It is not possible to calculate a bite rate for a breed or to compare rates between breeds because the data reported is often unreliable. This is because:
>The breed of a biting dog is often not known or is reported inaccurately. The actual number of bites that occur in a community is not known, especially if they don't result in serious injury. The number of dogs of a particular breed or combination of breeds in a community is not known because it is rare for all dogs in a community to be licensed. Statistics often do not consider multiple incidents caused by a single animal. Breed popularity changes over time, making comparison of breed-specific bite rates unreliable. However a review of the research that attempts to quantify the relation between breed and bite risk finds the connection to be weak or absent, while responsible ownership variables such as socialization, neutering and proper containment of dogs are much more strongly indicated as important risk factors
DobermanCavalry t1_iu57jxy wrote
I'll ask again, are Pit Bulls the only dogs with bad owners? How do you reconcile that they overwhelmingly hurt more people than other dogs? Just bad luck?
>Injuries from Pitbull's and mixed breed dogs were both more frequent and more severe.
Essig GF Jr, Sheehan C, Rikhi S, Elmaraghy CA, Christophel JJ. Dog bite injuries to the face: Is there risk with breed ownership? A systematic review with meta-analysis. Int J Pediatr Otorhinolaryngol. 2019 Feb;117:182-188. doi: 10.1016/j.ijporl.2018.11.028. Epub 2018 Nov 29. PMID: 30579079.
>Attacks by Pit Bull Terriers are more likely to cause severe morbidity than other breeds of dogs.
Harnarayan P, Islam S, Ramsingh C, Naraynsingh V. Pit Bull attack causing limb threatening vascular trauma -A case series. Int J Surg Case Rep. 2018;42:133-137. doi: 10.1016/j.ijscr.2017.11.061. Epub 2017 Dec 8. PMID: 29245098; PMCID: PMC5730392.
>Pit-bull type was the most frequently implicated breed (27%)
Morzycki A, Simpson A, Williams J. Dog bites in the emergency department: a descriptive analysis. CJEM. 2019 Jan;21(1):63-70. doi: 10.1017/cem.2018.2. Epub 2018 Mar 1. PMID: 29490720.
>Pet dogs were responsible for 42% of injuries, and pit bull was the most-identified breed (36.2%).
Abraham JT, Czerwinski M. Pediatric Dog Bite Injuries in Central Texas. J Pediatr Surg. 2019 Jul;54(7):1416-1420. doi: 10.1016/j.jpedsurg.2018.09.022. Epub 2018 Oct 31. PMID: 30473254.
>Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs.
Bini JK, Cohn SM, Acosta SM, McFarland MJ, Muir MT, Michalek JE; TRISAT Clinical Trials Group. Mortality, mauling, and maiming by vicious dogs. Ann Surg. 2011 Apr;253(4):791-7. doi: 10.1097/SLA.0b013e318211cd68. PMID: 21475022.
> The most common breed of dog identified was pit bull (n = 29, 47.5%).
Lee CJ, Santos PJF, Vyas RM. Epidemiology, Socioeconomic Analysis, and Specialist Involvement in Dog Bite Wounds in Adults. J Craniofac Surg. 2019 May/Jun;30(3):753-757. doi: 10.1097/SCS.0000000000005201. PMID: 30845083.
AssumptionLivid6879 t1_iu5r29d wrote
All dogs were bred for very specific purposes.
Heelers bred for cattle. Newfoundlands and labradors for fowl hunting. Bloodhounds for scent tracking. Shepards for herding. Huskies and malamutes for sled towing. Hell Chihuahuas were bred specifically to listen for coyotes.
Pitbulls? Blood sport
AssumptionLivid6879 t1_iu53hr4 wrote
Did you not actually read you own links? CDC link literally says pitbulls/Rottweilers contribute to 50% of fatalities
Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee t1_iu54cow wrote
O you poor summer child, please go actually read the whole thing;
> The CDC strongly recommends against breed-specific laws in its oft-cited study of fatal dog attacks, noting that data collection related to bites by breed is fraught with potential sources of error (Sacks et al., 2000). Specifically, the authors of this and other studies cite the inherent difficulties in breed identification (especially among mixed-breed dogs) and in calculating a breed’s bite rate given the lack of consistent data on breed population and the actual number of bites occurring in a community, especially when the injury is not deemed serious enough to require treatment in an emergency room (Sacks et al., 2000; AVMA, 2001; Collier, 2006). Supporting the concern regarding identification, a recent study noted a significant discrepancy between visual determination of breed and DNA determination of breed (Voith et al., 2009).
The study points out specifically that it’s data is completely wrong, and recommends against Breed Specific Laws - attributing the issue to human error from unwarranted bias against specific breeds.
Now go read the other links too instead of cherry picking for a Hail Mary.
AssumptionLivid6879 t1_iu5q72o wrote
Looks like someone else did the work in another thread Please just donate money to help those attacked by “bad owners”.
I can’t even imagine how much good you could do to the world if you spent your energy helping others over defending breeds of animals that were biologically groomed to kill both humans and dogs.
AssumptionLivid6879 t1_iu0d2fv wrote
Rather than spending energy supporting a breed that was selectively bred to kill both dogs and humans, spend some money to help those were attacked by unprovoked sweet pibblebears that couldn’t hurt a fly:
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mommamcmomface t1_itvqa7i wrote
That dog should be under mandatory quarantine. At least for 10 days. Since the owner cannot control their dog, they will end up having to register it as “dangerous”. (This will be ordered by the court). The owner will have to formally register the dog as a dangerous animal, post signs on their property, muzzle the dog and keep in on a lead of no more than 3 feet when off property, notify the sheriff and animal control whenever it is loose, if outside and on property, the dog must be contained by a six foot fence. They may require it’s assessed by a animal behaviorist and undergo mandatory training. However, if that dog is on your property, without being under the control of its owner, you are 100% within your right to dispatch the animal. I’m sorry you’re going through this. I hope it all works out for you.
Wyatt_Earth t1_itwo7vr wrote
Shoot that fucking thing and don't think twice.
JuggernautTasty3791 t1_itze7be wrote
Shoot it. It’s on private property and has already attacked.
Baisemoncul t1_iu25yam wrote
Don’t shoot the head, they need it for rabies testing. With the documentation you have, you are well within your rights to kill it on YOUR PROPERTY! The consequence may well be retaliation on their part. It’s a two edged sword.
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