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mymaineaccount46 t1_j4hp7a9 wrote

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> They just ignore all history and keep screaming

I have a degree in history.

There's no honest way to spin this to make us the bad guys. We have done nothing but provide weapons to a country defending itself from a hostile invasion. Your position is nothing more than "America bad" despite the majority of the world backing Ukraine as their neighbor literally invades and tries to annex them.

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[deleted] t1_j4ia3kx wrote

>I have a degree in history.

LOL, Ukranian history? Or just "history in general"? hahaha

Because it really seems like you don't know anything about Ukraine or the relationship with Russia....or the US part in the coup 8 years ago.... or relations with NATO and Russia .... or anything surrounding the soviet union.

You also seem to have no knowledge of US interventions and military actions over the last 100 years..... you know how long the list of regime change is with the US? Installing right wing dictators?

SPOILERS, UKRAINE IS ONE OF THOSE COUNTRIES. WE BACKED A COUP AND HELPED THEM INSTALL THEIR CURRENT RIGHT WING AUTHORITARIAN REGIME.

>We have done nothing but provide weapons to a country defending itself from a hostile invasion.

THE US IS NOT THE POLICE OF THE WORLD.

We should NOT be sending trillions of dollars to stick our noses into other countries business constantly....WHILE OUR OWN PEOPLE DIE OF EASILY PREVENTED SICKNESS AND SUFFER.

Holy shit, what is it with you war mongers and only wanting to "help people" if it comes in the form of bombs and extreme spending to the military industrial complex??

Save lives here at home by giving healthcare? BOOOO BORIINNGGGGGG.

"Save lives" by engaging in regime change and installing right wing dictators? WOOO FUN!! HERE'S ALL THE MONEY YOU WANT!!!

Fucking ridiculous.

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ecco-domenica t1_j4iwq4q wrote

Here's a thought. Not everybody who disagrees with you is a warmonger. Shout less, listen more.

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[deleted] t1_j4iz9fv wrote

They are when they support 100+ billions going to countries we have no business with.

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mymaineaccount46 t1_j4jchkw wrote

>You also seem to have no knowledge of US interventions and military actions over the last 100 years..... you know how long the list of regime change is with the US? Installing right wing dictators?

More what about

> SPOILERS, UKRAINE IS ONE OF THOSE COUNTRIES. WE BACKED A COUP AND HELPED THEM INSTALL THEIR CURRENT RIGHT WING AUTHORITARIAN REGIME.

Should be easy for Russia to walk in and remove an unpopular, foreign placed regime. Oh wait, the population has supported the current political establishment in Ukraine with armed resistance to the invaders. You've eaten Russian propaganda in your rush to "America bad."

The Ukrainian people have agency in their actions. They chose their political establishment and they are defending their country. We are doing the right thing by supporting them and I hope we send more aid.

I'm done, god speed on being such a contrarian that you oppose helping people defend themselves against a hostile invasion.

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[deleted] t1_j4jiosf wrote

>The Ukrainian people have agency in their actions. They chose their political establishment

The current Ukrainian government banned opposition parties and media when they were installed 8 years ago with the US help (our heads of state are on a leaked phone recording where they are discussing who to install after the coup).

Also half of the country has been actively fighting against the coup government since it was installed. So while you say "Ukrainians are defending their country".... you are only talking about a small portion of them. The other half have been under attack for quite some time.

None of this is "propaganda" (I know you propagandists LOVE to dismiss anything inconvenient as "Russia propaganda"....it's ridiculous). This is basic undisputed history. A year ago no academic would have ever questioned these facts of the situation.

Just go look at articles about Ukraine from a couple years ago. It has been widely known as an authoritarian right wing regime for MANY YEARS at this point. Also EXTREMELY corrupt, one of the most corrupt in all of europe (THERE IS A REASON THEY WERE NEVER ACCEPTED TO NATO).

You just keep spewing war propaganda while casually ignoring all of the very long and established history of the situation.

You are deeply dishonest. Just endless lies and covering for the war machine and our proxy war as you push state propaganda.

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