meowmix778 t1_j3hg1dn wrote on January 8, 2023 at 4:39 PM

Reply to comment by Fireonpoopdick in So, what do we do? by seeyoubythesea

There's a book I read that's really reframed my thinking on this called "the climate Leviathan".

It frames the argument that we will see more and more climate refugees and the world will be pressed to a breaking point. Once that happenes it argues for 4 outcomes.

we all just sort of let it happen, and very little changed. Business provides solutions to mitigate the issue, and we praise them as heroes.
People become so outraged by the current system they topple the current one and replace it by a Mao style government. Substituting safety in the state for freedom. Thus solving the climate issues.
everything just regular goes to shit
the almost impossible one. We all realize what's happened. Neighbors help neighbors. We agree to topple most business and heavily involve ourselves in a utopian society for eachother. Science builds a Mcguffin to save everything. We all live happily ever after. The authors also warn most people believe this will happen and aren't putting effort towards it.

Really we need to get comfortable with the reality of more refugees, more climate crisis, more places becoming inhospitable and giving up more luxury to make life for the future possible.

Fireonpoopdick t1_j3hpvw7 wrote on January 8, 2023 at 5:41 PM

What I'm saying is yes we do but people won't, it will cause war, wars and refugee massacres and genocides world wide, my hope is it goes well but at this point I have little faith that the people in charge could be toppled without triggering a nuclear incident and I'm guessing more walls, more guns, more bombs and violence like we have not seen since the world wars just to try and keep everyone distracted until the global environment is so damaged there's no going back, we may already be at that point, we should be working together and doing things to mitigate and we are in some degrees but drops in buckets compared to the actual work that needs to be done, we would literally need to change the entire economic system the world currently runs on and that means a lot of very rich people would loose a lot of money, humanity would be saved but people would loose money, and we can't have that, money is more important than life, or freedom, or love, money is everything, embrace it or die, because to destroy would give you a freedom only dreamed of.