ainskohler t1_j9x1zme wrote
Teacher dismissed for sharing inappropriate TikTok videos with Maine middle school students. Transgender had nothing to do with this.
HumpSlackWails t1_j9xzl17 wrote
At the very least I think folks need to understand other people's kids aren't pools for unchecked activism.
Helping a kid who comes to you with a question in privacy and confidence is one thing...
Broadcasting your social activism to classrooms... eh... not the same thing.
Wouldn't want the bigots doing it, hiding behind this same rationale, don't want others doing it either.
And identity choices and gender and sex discussions also =/= pokemon or hobbies. All content is not equal. Sometimes not every population is yours to educate or expose, sorry. And what a person might say is just "providing information so they can access it" others might see as "marketing."
Because it is.
If you'd be mad if Jimbo Transphobe McRacist wrote his handle on the board and kids wandered off down a hole of carefully crafted anti-marginalized people commentary? Well that wouldn't be his place. And its about the place. Not the quality of content.
OddClass134 t1_j9ye5zw wrote
>Broadcasting your social activism to classrooms... eh... not the same thing.
I understand this point, but for LGBT people and especially trans people, the simple act of existing is often social activism in and of itself.
When I was in school we had a gay teacher who could not legally marry his partner. When he became able to, he told us he was getting married. This is no different than a straight teacher saying they are getting married, very PG and acceptable, but the fact he was gay and doing it carried significant political baggage.
It seems unreasonable to ask people who's identities themselves are topics of public debate to avoid bringing politics into the classroom. I don't see anyway they could reasonably do that without intentionally hiding aspects of their lives that non-LGBT teachers would never be expected to hide.
Not to mention education itself is far from "neutral" politically anyway, but that's a different conversation.
mymaineaccount46 t1_j9yioup wrote
There's a difference in offhand mentioning something and sharing your socials with students. The latter is inappropriate regardless of your lifestyle or beliefs.
Students should have no involvement with a teacher's private life.
OddClass134 t1_j9ylq67 wrote
I think the appropriateness of sharing social media is up for discussion, frankly. When I was in high school, my best friend's mother was my government teacher. My algebra teacher rented a room from my other friends parents and came to their Christmas parties. My drama teacher held a summer BBQ for all the graduating seniors.
Saying teachers cannot share any of their private life with students seems needlessly cold. There's nothing wrong with a teacher relating to their students on a human level. Talking about the birth of their new child, talking about where they grew up, bringing their husband/wife to the school recital, etc.
Social media profiles can be very private, but often times they aren't. Often times it's no different than a digital resume, especially on platforms like TikTok and Instagram.
Tbh this push to dehumanize and automate teacher/student interaction is a really sad by-product imo of this whole trans debate. Is there a line? Of course, but schools are still communities, not factory assembly lines.
mymaineaccount46 t1_j9yqbar wrote
I don't think it is a byproduct of the trans debate. The line between private and school life has always been present. Teachers are meant to be authority figured to their students, not their friends. That isn't something that should be changed and it's entirely inappropriate to be giving out your socials to students regardless of who you are, your beliefs, gender etc.
Stormypwns t1_j9zak4h wrote
Schools are communities? That's laughable. There might be communities within schools but a school is not a community. A school is a percentage (or the whole depending on size) of a town's population of children. That's not a community. That's like saying the state of Arizona is a community.
You being personally related to teachers or hanging out with teachers outside of school has no bearing on what is appropriate in a classroom. There is a difference between even briefly talking about your personal life if it's relevant to something related to the class and making students watch (possibly politically themed) TikToks. I certainly don't want conservatives doing it (especially creationists. Imagine a creationist science teacher making students watch Christian TikTok?) and we don't need to be doing it either. Class is for learning the material. If the teacher wants to hang out with the kids and show them TikToks she can do it on her own time outside of the classroom.
OddClass134 t1_j9zcg4o wrote
>There might be communities within schools but a school is not a community.
So pep rallys, sports teams, mascots and school colors, school dances, yearbooks... should we get rid of all of those? Those are community activities and signifiers.
We could just send the children to all sit in little pods by themselves and watch videos abut the things they need to learn. No need to worry about them interacting with other humans or being anything more than-- as you put it-- "a percentage of the population". Imagine the efficiency!
>If the teacher wants to hang out with the kids and show them TikToks she can do it on her own time outside of the classroom.
???
Stormypwns t1_j9zr0aq wrote
What are you questioning here? The point is self explanatory. Sports teams are for their own sake. There are communities in the school based around them. Not everyone in the school partakes. I sure as hell didn't. You go to dances to hang out with your social group - not necessarily anyone else from the school. You don't buy your yearbook just to have a picture of Timmy from a different class in a different year who you never talked to once in your entire career there.
I could better see this argument made for a university perhaps, as you get to choose where you go to college, and based off that fact alone you have something in common with your fellow students in that you all made the decision to choose that university.
However this only tangentially related to the point at hand, and you've dodged the legitimacy of my actual argument; no pushing your personal belief systems on the kids no matter how right you are or believe yourself to be. Tell them that you're trans, that you were born that way, and that you deserve the same respect as everyone else on the faculty. Don't make them watch biased propaganda videos. That's never okay no matter who is doing it. That's not what school is for. School is to learn.
As for the honestly fucking dumb 'pods' point, you still need human teachers to answer questions and grade papers. The kids still need to be around and interact with each other to socialize and learn about the rules and expected behaviors in society.
However your teacher isn't your friend; they're your teacher. I can't go out and have drinks with my direct manager. Why? Because it's a conflict of interest. In the real world there are going to be people you're going to have to interact and show a level of respect towards who will not be your friend, and at school kids should be taught a certain level of professionalism with their teachers.
Personally I was blessed to have an instructor, an amazing person, who I hung out with on several occasions after school. Sometimes he'd take some of us to Dennys and we'd discuss projects we were working on, or he even helped some of his students out with some tough personal situations. At Dennys, or at the independence day parade, or wherever else he was David. In the classroom, however, he was always 'sir' or 'Mr.___', and we treated him professionally and with respect.
Koboldsftw t1_ja05jqf wrote
What if you offhand mention your socials
MosskeepForest t1_j9y731n wrote
For Republicans, a Trans person existing is "marketing".
You trying to claim a right winger making hate videos is the same thing as a Trans person being seen transitioning in public is disgusting.
Right wingers are ALWAYS attacking random minorities and claiming their day to day lives is an "agenda".
When is enough enough? Right wingers need to be held accountable for their actions.
HumpSlackWails t1_j9yach8 wrote
This isn't just existing. Existing is a trans person doing stuff.
A tik tok devoted to your transitions is not "just existing."
A tik tok of a gay person reviewing movies is just existing. A tik tok chronically their coming out journey is something special.
No one except the content creator said, with this content, "I am trans and this is about me being trans specifically."
Not every group is a potential audience for activism because you feel, of course, your message is super critical and HAS to reach them. Everyone will use that rationale - and has been - and its how oppression happens. Just take a step back and understand sometimes people in marginalized groups can cross lines too. She did.
MosskeepForest t1_j9yigtj wrote
>A tik tok devoted to your transitions is not "just existing."
What does "devoted to your transition" mean? Showing your medical care is now "inappropriate"? Or showing your day to day life as you transition? THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF JUST EXISTING.
You are trying to redefine a person living their life and using social media normally to share about their life as "an agenda" and "political activism".
And it's always a standard that applies EXCLUSIVELY for trans people.
Like I said, just this morning I watched a male teacher casually looking on his laptop during class while perving through womens profiles on facebook.... while his screen was projected to the front of the room in front of the entire class. WHERE IS THE FOX NEWS ARTICLE ABOUT THAT?
You fascists don't care about your hypocrisy though. You just ignore it and keep on pushing YOUR AGENDA to vilify ANOTHER minority group. As you have for my entire life....jumping from one to the next.
You people need to be stopped. You constant try to destroy our society and create domestic terrorism. History has shown us where people like you take societies...and it isn't pretty.
The NAZI did the exact same thing with gay people. They worked tirelessly to reframe them as "threats to children"....
Care to guess what I think should happen to Nazis?
HumpSlackWails t1_ja2h1k2 wrote
"What does "devoted to your transition" mean? Showing your medical care is now "inappropriate"? Or showing your day to day life as you transition? THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF JUST EXISTING."
No, that is a tik tok dedicated to your experience transitioning. It is not a tik tok where a trans person engages in a regular, non-topical living.
If I skydive and make a vlog about skydiving its a skydiving vlog. If I skydive and appear in videos where I happen to have my parachute in my car but I'm on my way to a concert...
I'm just a skydiver who happens to be on film.
If you can differentiate between targeted, topical content and not then you're not here in good faith.
MosskeepForest t1_ja2zbpz wrote
And yet if it were some male teacher who had a tiktok showing his medical care for a broken arm over months, you wouldn't be calling that "inappropriate" or devoted to some sort of agenda.
You would just say he was sharing his life.
But EXCLUSIVELY for minorities, you fascists want to try and reframe normal life and normal usage of social media as some sort of conspiracy.
You seem to think it's your DUTY to inject yourself into the lives of others. You have no concept for the idea of freedom and want to use the state to police simple things like medical care? Fucking fascist.
Why don't you get the fuck out of my country and go to one that thinks like you do? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? North Korea? Russia? China? Pick a fascist state that wants to attack minorities, you would fit right in.
HumpSlackWails t1_ja30fhc wrote
\You're absolutely right. Teaching skills is absolutely not the same as recording your transition journey.
I think you finally nailed it.
MosskeepForest t1_ja32274 wrote
I guess you think tiktok is some teaching platform? Lol, cool.
HumpSlackWails t1_ja3593o wrote
This teacher clearly did.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9ylfpr wrote
>Not every group is a potential audience for activism because you feel, of course, your message is super critical and HAS to reach them. Everyone will use that rationale - and has been - and its how oppression happens. Just take a step back and understand sometimes people in marginalized groups can cross lines too. She did.
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Hard to disagree.
Wear_Overall t1_j9zaw8i wrote
Comparing racists to the transgendered says all anyone needs to know about your fucked up opinion.
esodankic t1_j9zx1if wrote
I know in RSU 13 a substitute teacher makes $13.50 an hour.
MosskeepForest t1_j9x2zko wrote
Except she didn't. She told the kids her tiktok handle.
The example of "extreme inappropriate content" (which wasn't shown in class) was in one of her random videos she was wearing a towel (ohhh the humanityyyyy, how will the children ever recover).
It's a farce. Most people only read the headlines. Just another piece of propaganda by the traitors in the republican party.
Propaganda targeting minorities should be a criminal offense. Republicans engaging in this sort of nazi behaviour belong behind bars.
cannonball12345 t1_j9x7e6a wrote
Why is it appropriate for any teacher to share their social media handles with students?
rectumish t1_j9yii43 wrote
why is it not?
MosskeepForest t1_j9x80l9 wrote
The point is the framing by the traitor republicans is extremely obvious. This isn't an issue of a teacher sharing their social media handle. This is just propaganda to push their recent narrative of "trans people are grooming your kids!!!!!".
That's why the article makes it seem like she was sharing porn or something to kids in class. When the story was actually "a teacher told some students what her tiktok handle was". So a slap on the wrist and tell her not to. Woopty dooo.
Though, I honestly don't care if a teacher shares their social media with students. You think teachers should be using fake names in the classroom so kids can't go home and google them too?
This isn't 1999, welcome to the internet age.
But again, that isn't the real issue here. The real issue is traitor republicans trying to push their hate campaign with one after another of these propaganda pieces.
cannonball12345 t1_j9x9udy wrote
I read the article, not sure where you read they suggested it was porn. Or what 1999 or the internet have anything to do with this. As a parent I feel as though any teacher, substitute or not, shouldn’t share their social media accounts. But hey, It’s cool you feel differently. I have two kids and felt I should defend the schools decision to cut ties.
MosskeepForest t1_j9xa9hx wrote
>I read the article, not sure where you read they suggested it was porn
The article title was that the TRANSGENDER teacher (emphasis on transgender, since the article mentions it a billion times and it's in the headline) was sharing inappropriate videos.
TURNS OUT that she wasn't. She just told the kids what her tiktok handle was.... and in a random video of however many her catalogue is, the trolls at fox news found one where she was wearing a towel....
Where are all the other THOUSANDS of articles of various teachers through the country sharing more than school policy allows?? Oh? Articles are just saved for the TRANSGENDER ones? Yea, it's kind of obvious this isn't about a teacher that just shared her social media handle when she shouldn't have.....
>I have two kids
Cool. Today on twitter it was trending that vaporeon is the best pokemon for sex. You know, since it's water based. Apparently it would make a good flesh light (I learnt a lot from twitter today)
So.... good luck protecting your kids from seeing someone wearing a towel I guess.
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IamSauerKraut t1_j9yk80k wrote
>When the story was actually "a teacher told some students what her tiktok handle was".
Given the content of the account, the handle should not have been shared.
In today's environment, a teacher's social media presence needs to be squeaky clean. If it is not, then why is the teacher sharing the handle?
I agree with the person who posits that this is less about gender identity than it is about appropriate behavior.
MosskeepForest t1_j9ynjt5 wrote
>In today's environment, a teacher's social media presence needs to be squeaky clean.
Yea, todays environment of people trying to turn everything into some type of moral panic. It's always some fucked up fundamental christian viewpoint that has us firing teachers because they showed their knees on facebook or something.
That people support this type of fragile "teachers can't be human" mentality is insane.... but explains why our education system is so shit. We have very poorly paid teachers who are told they must always walk on a knives edge of being fired for "being inappropriate".... which leaves very few people willing to put up with all that BS.
And the application of "decency" is always applied to women and minorities. Even just kids knowing a teachers name and finding their facebook page where they posted going to a club is "inappropriate".
How do people keep supporting this or thinking this is healthy or good?
IamSauerKraut t1_j9z4v95 wrote
>Even just kids knowing a teachers name and finding their facebook page where they posted going to a club is "inappropriate".
Way to turn my comment on its head.
The issue presented here is not a kid knowing a name and looking for the facebook page; rather, it is (alleged) that the teacher, knowing the contents of their own page, encouraged the students to go visit the page. That is what is inappropriate sharing.
MosskeepForest t1_j9z6294 wrote
Let's not forget the actual issue is not about the line for what a child can know about their teachers.
The real issue is this is a matter that the school should have taken care of (as they do with tens of thousands of other instances of similar or worse issues regularly) without it becoming some sort of propaganda piece for traitorous republicans.
>The issue presented here is not a kid knowing a name and looking for the facebook page
No, that is EXACTLY THE ISSUE. The teacher shared her handle on a social media site (a handle is your internet name, how people find you).
>knowing the contents of their own page
The content? That they are openly transgender? No, I don't accept the fucking fascists line of thinking that transgender people are "inappropriate for children".
This is what the fucks tried to claim about gay relationships also for the last 40+ years. That seeing a man and man together was "too adult for children". Fuck them and their fascist rhetoric trying to label people existing and engaging in normal behaviour as "inappropriate".
>Way to turn my comment on its head.
It isn't. It is actually where your line of thinking goes (or more accurately, has brought us).
This has actually happened and teachers have been fired for it.
That is where this mentality of "teachers must be pure christians" leads us... to an insane society of misguided "protecting the children" panic.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9zhmii wrote
You can always convince folks of the righteousness of your argument by inserting "traitorous" and "fascists" and other emotionally charged opinion (some of which is unrelated to the issue at hand). It also helps to post patronizing and gratuitous verbiage. Pat yourself on the back.
MosskeepForest t1_j9zj1hp wrote
>You can always convince folks of the righteousness of your argument
A certain portion of the population are just evil and will never face the truth of their actions.
That's why conservatives jump from one minority to another drumming up hate and violence.... because they have no sense of morality and just want to create hell on earth.
There is no way to phrase things to make them examine themselves. They are just purely evil creatures that need to be stopped.
How do you think the world stopped the Nazis? It wasn't with a round table discussion....
> by inserting "traitorous" and "fascists" and other emotionally charged opinion
It isn't an opinion. It is a fact. When a random American suddenly turns on their neighbor and begins pointing a finger and screaming "WE HAVE TO KILL THEM TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN!!!"..... that is a traitor turning on their own society.
That is a festering disease that threatens the very fabric of peaceful society if not stopped. They are fascists, again, BY DEFINITION. They use fear of the other to take control of governments and install authoritarian measures victimizing countless people (as republican fascists are doing now across the country, and have been doing my entire life).
These things aren't opinion. It is just a fact of what these people are. A cancer at the heart of our country.... that will cause untold damage (and HAVE caused untold damage) if not stopped.
Again, there is no discussion to be had with them. They are evil hateful rotten creatures that have no sense of decency. Traitors and threats to America itself.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9zja2p wrote
>How do you think the world stopped the Nazis? I
Not sure this question is related to the issue at hand but I am sure you will post a verbose response that will do nothing to tie the two together.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9zjgao wrote
>When a random American suddenly turns on their neighbor and begins pointing a finger and screaming "WE HAVE TO KILL THEM TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN!!!"..... that is a traitor turning on their own society.
Not seeing that anywhere in the posted article. Nor do I see a similar sentiment in the comments posted in this thread.
MosskeepForest t1_j9zl92d wrote
>Not seeing that anywhere in the posted article. Nor do I see a similar sentiment in the comments posted in this thread.
I guess you've just decided to start to play stupid? Is that the strategy now?
Suddenly you have forgotten about the last 5 years and the trans panic narrative of grooming and all other bullshit? Culminating in a huge spike in states trying to restrict access to medical care for trans youth and other anti-trans legislation being pushed through?
Yea, play dumb all you want. We all know what you are trying to do. You aren't fooling anyone with this bullshit.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9zn9hn wrote
>Suddenly you have forgotten about the last 5 years
What does the last 5 years have to do with a specific situation involving a substitute teacher at King?
Nada.
But you go on about bullshit...
HumpSlackWails t1_j9y05yf wrote
"Propaganda targeting minorities should be a criminal offense."
Unless its propaganda you agree with, of course. This is why the issue is how it isn't a person's place, in this venue, to be marketing their political and social activism accounts to school children at all, regardless of content.... and not who is making content.
I understand you have very strong beliefs about how kids deserve access to this information and its okay to push them towards it.
Its not your place to decide that that is okay in the classroom and other people have disagreed. I wouldn't want my kids being pushed to a trans-hating account on a classroom-wide basis, and I don't want other people pushing their personal lives and stories out onto them either.
And for as much as you invoke other "inappropriate" content teachers might push kids to or whatever... challenge them on the merits. Educationally related content? Not gonna win complaining about that. Not-activist or commentary content, just life? Also not the same.
A video of two trans people going out to see Ant Man and then having a slice of pizza at Otto's isn't the same thing as an entire tik tok channel devoted to exploring the trans experience and someone transitioning. Intent of content and intent behind marketing it both matter for all populations.
Marketing certain types of content to kids is always going to be seen as unacceptable. If you think some straight person would get away with marketing their "come see my straight life and how great being straight is" channel exploring their exploration of heterosexual gender-normative life is?
You're actually quite mistaken and even right wing folks, mothers especially, would ask about people glorifying their lifestyle in that kind of pointed, targeted way, then pushing kids toward it. I have right wing friends. Who do not like their kids watching Tate.
People might need access, exposure and representation. It does not mean that they are free to do whatever they want to get it without ever facing any blowback.
MosskeepForest t1_j9y6m74 wrote
Where are the daily articles from fox News about non-trans teachers breaking minor school policies?
I just saw a video on Twitter of a male teacher that accidentally had his Facebook up on the projector while looking at women's profiles where they were in bikinis.
Where are the fox news articles about that creep?
IamSauerKraut t1_j9ykgr2 wrote
>I just saw a video on Twitter of a male teacher that accidentally had his Facebook up on the projector while looking at women's profiles where they were in bikinis.
How does such a thing occur accidentally? Teacher needs to be smart enough to never have this occurrence be possible. Less of an accident than carelessness, imho, and should be addressed by the building admin.
saintalbanberg t1_j9yifkm wrote
> If you think some straight person would get away with marketing their "come see my straight life and how great being straight is" channel exploring their exploration of heterosexual gender-normative life is?
We watched a ton of movies in school which were based on classic novels. This was a facet of just about every single one.
dougwdouglas t1_j9ygpyk wrote
Surely the actions are inappropriate. I remember many teachers in high school who would attempt to be “cool” and build relationships with students beyond the typical teacher-student relationship (get involved in student gossip, active with students on social media, texting weekend plans, etc). Was it dangerous? Probably not. Strange and inappropriate? Absolutely
In this case, a teacher is actively advertising her social media which directly brings minors to provocative photos? Not a great look!
Now Fox weaponizing this with the context of her transition is a different conversation, but I don’t think that’s going to be surprising to anyone here
IamSauerKraut t1_j9ykwql wrote
>I remember many teachers in high school who would attempt to be “cool” and build relationships with students
Oh yeah.
Only recently has a concerted effort been made to put an end to these "relationships." My chem teacher, married, knocked up a sophomore. My US History teacher was banging a junior. Neither faced consequences beyond some well-placed comments from female colleagues.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9yko9a wrote
>In this case, a teacher is actively advertising her social media which directly brings minors to provocative photos? Not a great look!
Agreed. Should be common sense among teachers.
MosskeepForest t1_j9yip9k wrote
>In this case, a teacher is actively advertising her social media which directly brings minors to provocative photos? Not a great look!
And that is where it should have ended. A principal saying "hay, could you not share your personal accounts during school hours? Thank you".
Instead of some national news story about how "TRANSGENDER people are sharing inappropriate videos to CHILDREN!!!!"
This is pure propaganda.
Lerch737 t1_j9y3bxt wrote
So all Republicans are traitors and all democrats are good guys?
mymaineaccount46 t1_j9yibpg wrote
That's how this site is. You ever look at the politics sub? This place is crazy.
Lerch737 t1_ja2tv9p wrote
Fuuuuuccckkk no. I stay the hell away from there!
IamSauerKraut t1_j9ykjo3 wrote
No.
There are good people and turds on both sides of that political aisle.
Lerch737 t1_ja2k2xq wrote
Good. Politicians are like diapers, and need to changes for the same reason
IamSauerKraut t1_ja3cwwx wrote
There's a visual. True, but quite the visual.
MosskeepForest t1_j9y7h88 wrote
Yes, Republicans are traitors always attacking random minorities just going about their lives.
First it was the "black agenda"... then the "gay agenda"... then the "mexican agenda"...now the "Trans agenda".
They need to be stopped. They are cancerous traitors constantly turning on fellow citizens and trying to create violence and hate for no reason.
When is enough enough? I've been seeing it my entire life. God damned fascists.
baxterstate t1_j9y8iey wrote
So all Republicans are traitors and all democrats are good guys? ———————-
Yes. If you want to make America great again, you’re a white supremacist. If you believe that China represents a bigger threat to the USA than Russia, it’s because you hate Asians. Just go to the political discussion board.
OurWhoresAreClean t1_j9yclci wrote
>If you believe that China represents a bigger threat to the USA than Russia, it’s because you hate Asians.
I needed a laugh, thank you for this
IamSauerKraut t1_j9yjxpj wrote
>She told the kids her tiktok handle.
Difference without a distinction.
TopGovtOfficial t1_j9x2b4f wrote
But that ain't gonna stop Fox news from writing shit about her transition in every paragraph.
DidDunMegasploded t1_j9xtiof wrote
You're right, but you forget that putting qualifiers like "transgender" or "man/woman with autism" or "man/woman with schizophrenia" are clicking phrases/words that draw in viewers. That's why "transgender" is in the title.
Classic rookie media move.
EDIT: Fuck, it's 5 in the morning and I just peeped who posted this. Yeah, no surprise here.
My point still stands, though, because it's more than Fuck Nose that does this.
Majestic-Feedback541 t1_j9x2aqf wrote
But it helps to get the public outraged so it's a win-win to them
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