HumpSlackWails t1_j9xzl17 wrote
Reply to comment by ainskohler in Transgender teacher dismissed for sharing inappropriate TikTok videos with Maine middle school students by jaypr4576
At the very least I think folks need to understand other people's kids aren't pools for unchecked activism.
Helping a kid who comes to you with a question in privacy and confidence is one thing...
Broadcasting your social activism to classrooms... eh... not the same thing.
Wouldn't want the bigots doing it, hiding behind this same rationale, don't want others doing it either.
And identity choices and gender and sex discussions also =/= pokemon or hobbies. All content is not equal. Sometimes not every population is yours to educate or expose, sorry. And what a person might say is just "providing information so they can access it" others might see as "marketing."
Because it is.
If you'd be mad if Jimbo Transphobe McRacist wrote his handle on the board and kids wandered off down a hole of carefully crafted anti-marginalized people commentary? Well that wouldn't be his place. And its about the place. Not the quality of content.
OddClass134 t1_j9ye5zw wrote
>Broadcasting your social activism to classrooms... eh... not the same thing.
I understand this point, but for LGBT people and especially trans people, the simple act of existing is often social activism in and of itself.
When I was in school we had a gay teacher who could not legally marry his partner. When he became able to, he told us he was getting married. This is no different than a straight teacher saying they are getting married, very PG and acceptable, but the fact he was gay and doing it carried significant political baggage.
It seems unreasonable to ask people who's identities themselves are topics of public debate to avoid bringing politics into the classroom. I don't see anyway they could reasonably do that without intentionally hiding aspects of their lives that non-LGBT teachers would never be expected to hide.
Not to mention education itself is far from "neutral" politically anyway, but that's a different conversation.
mymaineaccount46 t1_j9yioup wrote
There's a difference in offhand mentioning something and sharing your socials with students. The latter is inappropriate regardless of your lifestyle or beliefs.
Students should have no involvement with a teacher's private life.
OddClass134 t1_j9ylq67 wrote
I think the appropriateness of sharing social media is up for discussion, frankly. When I was in high school, my best friend's mother was my government teacher. My algebra teacher rented a room from my other friends parents and came to their Christmas parties. My drama teacher held a summer BBQ for all the graduating seniors.
Saying teachers cannot share any of their private life with students seems needlessly cold. There's nothing wrong with a teacher relating to their students on a human level. Talking about the birth of their new child, talking about where they grew up, bringing their husband/wife to the school recital, etc.
Social media profiles can be very private, but often times they aren't. Often times it's no different than a digital resume, especially on platforms like TikTok and Instagram.
Tbh this push to dehumanize and automate teacher/student interaction is a really sad by-product imo of this whole trans debate. Is there a line? Of course, but schools are still communities, not factory assembly lines.
mymaineaccount46 t1_j9yqbar wrote
I don't think it is a byproduct of the trans debate. The line between private and school life has always been present. Teachers are meant to be authority figured to their students, not their friends. That isn't something that should be changed and it's entirely inappropriate to be giving out your socials to students regardless of who you are, your beliefs, gender etc.
Stormypwns t1_j9zak4h wrote
Schools are communities? That's laughable. There might be communities within schools but a school is not a community. A school is a percentage (or the whole depending on size) of a town's population of children. That's not a community. That's like saying the state of Arizona is a community.
You being personally related to teachers or hanging out with teachers outside of school has no bearing on what is appropriate in a classroom. There is a difference between even briefly talking about your personal life if it's relevant to something related to the class and making students watch (possibly politically themed) TikToks. I certainly don't want conservatives doing it (especially creationists. Imagine a creationist science teacher making students watch Christian TikTok?) and we don't need to be doing it either. Class is for learning the material. If the teacher wants to hang out with the kids and show them TikToks she can do it on her own time outside of the classroom.
OddClass134 t1_j9zcg4o wrote
>There might be communities within schools but a school is not a community.
So pep rallys, sports teams, mascots and school colors, school dances, yearbooks... should we get rid of all of those? Those are community activities and signifiers.
We could just send the children to all sit in little pods by themselves and watch videos abut the things they need to learn. No need to worry about them interacting with other humans or being anything more than-- as you put it-- "a percentage of the population". Imagine the efficiency!
>If the teacher wants to hang out with the kids and show them TikToks she can do it on her own time outside of the classroom.
???
Stormypwns t1_j9zr0aq wrote
What are you questioning here? The point is self explanatory. Sports teams are for their own sake. There are communities in the school based around them. Not everyone in the school partakes. I sure as hell didn't. You go to dances to hang out with your social group - not necessarily anyone else from the school. You don't buy your yearbook just to have a picture of Timmy from a different class in a different year who you never talked to once in your entire career there.
I could better see this argument made for a university perhaps, as you get to choose where you go to college, and based off that fact alone you have something in common with your fellow students in that you all made the decision to choose that university.
However this only tangentially related to the point at hand, and you've dodged the legitimacy of my actual argument; no pushing your personal belief systems on the kids no matter how right you are or believe yourself to be. Tell them that you're trans, that you were born that way, and that you deserve the same respect as everyone else on the faculty. Don't make them watch biased propaganda videos. That's never okay no matter who is doing it. That's not what school is for. School is to learn.
As for the honestly fucking dumb 'pods' point, you still need human teachers to answer questions and grade papers. The kids still need to be around and interact with each other to socialize and learn about the rules and expected behaviors in society.
However your teacher isn't your friend; they're your teacher. I can't go out and have drinks with my direct manager. Why? Because it's a conflict of interest. In the real world there are going to be people you're going to have to interact and show a level of respect towards who will not be your friend, and at school kids should be taught a certain level of professionalism with their teachers.
Personally I was blessed to have an instructor, an amazing person, who I hung out with on several occasions after school. Sometimes he'd take some of us to Dennys and we'd discuss projects we were working on, or he even helped some of his students out with some tough personal situations. At Dennys, or at the independence day parade, or wherever else he was David. In the classroom, however, he was always 'sir' or 'Mr.___', and we treated him professionally and with respect.
Koboldsftw t1_ja05jqf wrote
What if you offhand mention your socials
MosskeepForest t1_j9y731n wrote
For Republicans, a Trans person existing is "marketing".
You trying to claim a right winger making hate videos is the same thing as a Trans person being seen transitioning in public is disgusting.
Right wingers are ALWAYS attacking random minorities and claiming their day to day lives is an "agenda".
When is enough enough? Right wingers need to be held accountable for their actions.
HumpSlackWails t1_j9yach8 wrote
This isn't just existing. Existing is a trans person doing stuff.
A tik tok devoted to your transitions is not "just existing."
A tik tok of a gay person reviewing movies is just existing. A tik tok chronically their coming out journey is something special.
No one except the content creator said, with this content, "I am trans and this is about me being trans specifically."
Not every group is a potential audience for activism because you feel, of course, your message is super critical and HAS to reach them. Everyone will use that rationale - and has been - and its how oppression happens. Just take a step back and understand sometimes people in marginalized groups can cross lines too. She did.
MosskeepForest t1_j9yigtj wrote
>A tik tok devoted to your transitions is not "just existing."
What does "devoted to your transition" mean? Showing your medical care is now "inappropriate"? Or showing your day to day life as you transition? THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF JUST EXISTING.
You are trying to redefine a person living their life and using social media normally to share about their life as "an agenda" and "political activism".
And it's always a standard that applies EXCLUSIVELY for trans people.
Like I said, just this morning I watched a male teacher casually looking on his laptop during class while perving through womens profiles on facebook.... while his screen was projected to the front of the room in front of the entire class. WHERE IS THE FOX NEWS ARTICLE ABOUT THAT?
You fascists don't care about your hypocrisy though. You just ignore it and keep on pushing YOUR AGENDA to vilify ANOTHER minority group. As you have for my entire life....jumping from one to the next.
You people need to be stopped. You constant try to destroy our society and create domestic terrorism. History has shown us where people like you take societies...and it isn't pretty.
The NAZI did the exact same thing with gay people. They worked tirelessly to reframe them as "threats to children"....
Care to guess what I think should happen to Nazis?
HumpSlackWails t1_ja2h1k2 wrote
"What does "devoted to your transition" mean? Showing your medical care is now "inappropriate"? Or showing your day to day life as you transition? THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF JUST EXISTING."
No, that is a tik tok dedicated to your experience transitioning. It is not a tik tok where a trans person engages in a regular, non-topical living.
If I skydive and make a vlog about skydiving its a skydiving vlog. If I skydive and appear in videos where I happen to have my parachute in my car but I'm on my way to a concert...
I'm just a skydiver who happens to be on film.
If you can differentiate between targeted, topical content and not then you're not here in good faith.
MosskeepForest t1_ja2zbpz wrote
And yet if it were some male teacher who had a tiktok showing his medical care for a broken arm over months, you wouldn't be calling that "inappropriate" or devoted to some sort of agenda.
You would just say he was sharing his life.
But EXCLUSIVELY for minorities, you fascists want to try and reframe normal life and normal usage of social media as some sort of conspiracy.
You seem to think it's your DUTY to inject yourself into the lives of others. You have no concept for the idea of freedom and want to use the state to police simple things like medical care? Fucking fascist.
Why don't you get the fuck out of my country and go to one that thinks like you do? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? North Korea? Russia? China? Pick a fascist state that wants to attack minorities, you would fit right in.
HumpSlackWails t1_ja30fhc wrote
\You're absolutely right. Teaching skills is absolutely not the same as recording your transition journey.
I think you finally nailed it.
MosskeepForest t1_ja32274 wrote
I guess you think tiktok is some teaching platform? Lol, cool.
HumpSlackWails t1_ja3593o wrote
This teacher clearly did.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9ylfpr wrote
>Not every group is a potential audience for activism because you feel, of course, your message is super critical and HAS to reach them. Everyone will use that rationale - and has been - and its how oppression happens. Just take a step back and understand sometimes people in marginalized groups can cross lines too. She did.
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Hard to disagree.
Wear_Overall t1_j9zaw8i wrote
Comparing racists to the transgendered says all anyone needs to know about your fucked up opinion.
esodankic t1_j9zx1if wrote
I know in RSU 13 a substitute teacher makes $13.50 an hour.
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