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laffeybunn t1_jcj9vfg wrote

It's been this way forever

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InsertDisc11 t1_jckgteo wrote

well ye...hence the post

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eternalbuzz t1_jclcoxy wrote

Except the title says “in 2023” ..suggesting OP has been in the hobby for a solid 5 minutes

2020 was the year of the 65s for me. Everybody was begging for 75s and what do ya know, they blew up a year later

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laffeybunn t1_jcm856i wrote

Yeah. Thanks for explaining my message because I'm so over this meme and this trend that explaining my comment is gonna give me an aneurysm.

It's not even funny man.

The ONLY 65%.that has come even remotely close to grabbing my attention since the DELTA is the new $400-$500 Retro 66

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S-T-Q t1_jcojovo wrote

Same regarding the Retro66, but that price range is killing me.

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laffeybunn t1_jcpc6t1 wrote

No money for it either, still working on my $1000 windx98

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Objectonmydesk t1_jcjgd62 wrote

My Ginkgo65 pro order takes this meme personally.

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Yatsuka_Kyo t1_jclwdb3 wrote

I ordered a Ginkgo65 pro as well. The more memes you can relate to on this sub, the less money you have.

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XayrCorgi t1_jclw4yz wrote

HAHA dude I just commented about Ginkgo too 😂

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Swing_Top t1_jcka1pd wrote

Somehow people do it... but I use the windows key many many times per day.

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GL1TCH3D t1_jckgwzx wrote

I've definitely become more and more of a fan of the windows key. Loving Win+Shift+S

I could use AHK and just bind the shortcut to something else since I use it so much, but there are other things I use winkey for anyway which would force me to rebind the windows key and at that point, why have a WKL.

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dubyakay t1_jcobc9p wrote

The snipping tool is a resource hungry, featureless abomination.

If you are not using Greenshot instead, bound to PrnScr, which you then put anywhere you want with your firmware, you are missing out.

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did t1_jckwcsf wrote

65% blockers don't generally remove the Windows key. They're either badge-style blockers in the top right of the board, or they're near the arrows.

Occasionally you'll see a WKL-style blocker on the left, but that's not as common as what the meme would be pointing to.

Also, with QMK, it's really easy to put the Windows key somewhere else.

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Eicr-5 t1_jcl01pb wrote

I’ve seen this response a bunch here. You are definitely correct. When talking about a blocker on a 65% 9 times out of 10 it’s the blocked between the arrow keys and 2x1.25u right side mods. Compared to a 65% without blockers which had 3x1u right side modifiers right up against the arrows

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clothing_throwaway t1_jckdoqs wrote

Same, but I like the way WKL looks. I'm considering getting one and just remapping a button I don't use, like right Alt or Ctrl or something, for Windows key.

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LevanderFela t1_jckjzhm wrote

Caps Lock to Windows key, and put Caps in 2nd layer?

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Swing_Top t1_jcklu0p wrote

Wouldn't have considered that! Nice idea, it's there but yes, when does it actually get used.

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LevanderFela t1_jcklypv wrote

It's HHKB inspired, their layout has Control instead of Caps Lock

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DukeOfChaos92 t1_jcld0vn wrote

Or just don't put caps at all because when do you even use that?

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LevanderFela t1_jclei8d wrote

Almost never. But having it in 2nd layer doesn't hurt :D

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Mythtory t1_jclvy48 wrote

Modern Leopolds have a dip switch for that. Flip the first dip switch on the bottom and CTRL and Caps Lock are swapped. No additional layer needed.

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DukeOfChaos92 t1_jcld9i1 wrote

As a hot key fanboy, the only key (that would be on a 65%) that I dont use is caps lock.

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WannaGetShreddedBruh t1_jcjtn7q wrote

This might be a stupid question, but what is a blocker?

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ZobeidZuma t1_jcjzfnd wrote

AFAIK a blocker fills out the extra space where the Win/Cmd/Super key would be on a winkeyless layout. Because having one less key to use is cool somehow.

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did t1_jckwo2b wrote

That's one type of blocker, and it's less common in 65% layouts. It's not about having "one less key" so much as following an older IBM-inspired keyboard layout. Vintage-esque fashion, if you will.

For 65s, though, the blockers are usually either immediately to the left of the arrows or at the very top-right.

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Eicr-5 t1_jcl0bj7 wrote

This is the actual correct answer. Contrasted to a 65 no/blocker which had 3 right side mods that go right up against the arrows. Like the tofu65 keyboards

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mintnoises t1_jck0eom wrote

This is the correct answer.

As to why? Everyone has their own reason whether that be aesthetics, not hitting the win key accidentally, not having a need for it, etc

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BlackMoth27 t1_jckjb8f wrote

>not having need for it

only applies for using the default layout. You can use the win key for anything if you have qmk, having it act as function is nice.

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mintnoises t1_jebna7p wrote

not trying to refute anyone, just simply stating that people have a plethora of reasons & it is their prerogative. whats one more key removal when we have infinite renditions of 1% to 100%

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BlackMoth27 t1_jecjzo9 wrote

I mean it is true that every layout has pros and cons, but i've always had a win key for shortcuts even on linux when i used that, it was helpful. More so when it's not stuck being windows bitch. If the keyboard has a capslock that is still capslock, i find it super ironic that you'd give up on the other useless key, i guess pick your key

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mintnoises t1_jed3th3 wrote

Again, I'm not here to debate anything. I just answered the comment above.

If people wanna get chuffed about WKL, go ahead. Every key is useless when you ask 40's users. Who - the - frick - cares 🤌🏼 just do what you want. It's your keyboard.

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BlackMoth27 t1_jeewca8 wrote

Yes no debate, only winkey less makes no sense, agreed.

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Saundotorakku t1_jck9v1g wrote

Well it’s either that or some of us will just disable the windows key. I’d rather just not have it at all if possible.

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HypotheticalRicotta t1_jcke30c wrote

What do you do if you need that key? Do you map capslock to super? Also, what operating system do you use?

I've been curious about this. I'm not on windows but couldn't make the switch because I still need all three modifiers for various shortcuts in the software I work in everyday.

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ZobeidZuma t1_jckfyup wrote

If you are on a Mac, you need that key, since the Mac uses Command (⌘) for most of the same shortcuts that other operating systems use Control for. But, the Mac also uses the Control key for its traditional purposes on the command line.

If you are on Linux, historically it doesn't use the Super key for anything, although some distros have recently started using it to call up the main system menu. Which I think is a huge mistake, and I disabled that function on my system! I like to use Super as a modifier for all my own global shortcuts, like workspace and window management. It shouldn't conflict with any shortcuts in applications.

On Windows. . . Well, I guess you need that functionality somewhere on your keyboard, but I think the bottom row is an awful place for it. I'd remap it to somewhere else if at all possible. Or maybe there's another key combo that will do the same function, but I dunno, I don't use Windows much.

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HypotheticalRicotta t1_jcksqkz wrote

That's pretty interesting. I would have assumed that the key would be pretty important to windows, but if it's basically reserved for the start menu and hardly ever used for shortcuts I can definitely see that being annoying. On a mac it's a 2-key combo to do what the win key does on windows, so you're never worried about accidental clicks.

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Bierdigan_ t1_jclayqu wrote

I personally use the windows key to launch programs, so I use it a ton and like where it is. I only accidentally hit it when I'm starting to fall asleep in my chair lol. I accidentally hit caps all the time but I like the idea of mapping windows to it so might give that a try

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ReaperofFish t1_jckuofc wrote

On Linux, the Windows key is a meta, and often gets bound to similar shortcuts that you would use on Windows in most Desktops.

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Saundotorakku t1_jckeuw5 wrote

I primarily use windows and have only ever accidentally used the Windows key. On the keyboards I use that have the key, I remap it to play/pause my music player.

If you need to use the function of that key and are using a WKL, you could just map it to your second layer in VIA on another key.

Or swap to another keyboard that has one 😉

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satanshoesfriend t1_jclmsdy wrote

Oh, I thought it referred to the space between the right ctrl and the left arrow key? Like a kbd67 vs a tofu65

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PencilcasePenetrator t1_jcjuapi wrote

Want to know too! My guess is that's what spaces the arrow Keys from the Rest

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M44t_ t1_jcjzw33 wrote

I have a kbd67 and I think it is the plastic thing in the bottom row separating the FN key and the left arrow (in my case)

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ReaperofFish t1_jcktpak wrote

I the case of a 65% (or 75%) there is only 3u between a 6.25u space bar and the arrow keys. So you can either have two 1.25u (normal sized) modifiers and have .5u of space left over, have 3 1u modifiers, or 2 1.5u keys. If you opt just two 1.25u keys, you need a blocker to fill that empty space.

It is mostly a matter of aesthetics though cap compatibility could play a role.

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sunfaller t1_jcl4sed wrote

I know it's been answered by examples already but a blocker is anything that would block a space for a key wherever it is on the keyboard.

only done for aesthetics sake.

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Big-Highlight1106 t1_jcjbx81 wrote

Next is that pe foam with flex cuts pcb LOL

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martialar t1_jckvum0 wrote

I thought there was some backlash against flex cuts because of the supposed affect on sound

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shaggys6skin t1_jck8lf7 wrote

Don’t come at me like that, bro.

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fmtech_ t1_jckf8ih wrote

But the chimera is coming back

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sadmanh t1_jckfc9z wrote

do gaskets really mean anything? My keychron has those foams and I even put in the extra ones they gave and I can't tell the difference.

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arock0627 t1_jckivse wrote

Keychron gives you replacements, why did you put those on?

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sadmanh t1_jckjc00 wrote

I recall seeing on a review somewhere the extras are for if you want it even more soft. It's not that I don't like the way it is right now, just don't feel much of a difference from having the foam gaskets.

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Pacifica0cean t1_jcksc3x wrote

Putting extra gaskets on increases the perceived hardness of the gaskets. If you want as bouncy as possible you want as little gaskets as you can get away with.

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arock0627 t1_jckjgpj wrote

Have you ever typed on a non-gasket mounted metal keyboard?

Starts to physically hurt after a while.

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sadmanh t1_jckqjqm wrote

yeah I used to have a Logitech before

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arock0627 t1_jckqqr9 wrote

Logitech isn't all metal. It's plastic and metal.

I mean like a 4 pound block of aluminum like an NK65

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sadmanh t1_jckr5ue wrote

yeah maybe the difference is just very subtle. I was using a G513 and I'm pretty sure the keys are mounted on a plate of aluminium, the rest of the keyboard was probably plastic.

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arock0627 t1_jckrgqt wrote

Yeah the rest of the KB is the thing here. Plastic has flex. I typed on Logitechs and know that they feel fine.

I had an NK65 for about 2 years and it would just hurt my fingertips after a while of use, because I bottom out and the keys would slam on an unmoving block of aluminum.

Think of it like tapping your fingers fairly hard on your desk top for 6 hours straight.

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ReaperofFish t1_jckvp9e wrote

I like it, but like everything else in this hobby, it comes down to preference. I tend to prefer a hard bottom out. Probably related to my preference for tactile switches.

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did t1_jckx4hb wrote

They can definitely make a difference, but it's just one piece out of many things that impact the sound and feel of a keyboard. Simply sticking a bit of rubber in between the plate and the case may not have much impact at all if there's still no wiggle room for the plate.

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sadmanh t1_jcl1iyc wrote

there's definitely some wiggle room on mine, I can push it down a bit, but when typing I don't really notice it.

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phatitt t1_jckpri8 wrote

More please!

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Yoosulis t1_jckv8d3 wrote

Sorry, but I want a TKL gasket mount WKL with F13 please!

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0cular t1_jckzu9e wrote

I'm just sitting here waiting for an Apollo 80 rerun or a Mode 80 restock 🤡

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PretentiousPuck t1_jcl50vw wrote

I'm actually really excited to see how the vanguard turns out, if I can't get a Corsa extra I'm really debating on getting in on that GB.

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RealPyretc t1_jcl5biv wrote

I could never do with anythiby less than a 100% i jeed the numpad, i play arma a lot sometimes and its very useful to have extra keys like that to bind stuff to

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minimanticore t1_jclccj3 wrote

More 75% and 75% exploded layouts please for the love of God lol

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DukeOfChaos92 t1_jcldrdf wrote

This is why I like the other keeb sub's better. This one is mostly a few minor variations of a handful of rectangles. Oh, this one HAS arrow keys and that one DOESN'T?? Such variety!

As a proud owner of three rectangles, if I'm spending hundreds on something new it should be interesting

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billabong049 t1_jclfyr7 wrote

For 2022-2023 I feel like this should say 75%, 65% was the last fad, and 60% before that.

lol no, 40%s, you will never be a fad.

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OmegaZero55 t1_jcln7jr wrote

2023 is the year of the 40% for me. So many cool 40 projects I have my eye on at the moment.

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EntropicDays t1_jclnxuc wrote

bro 65% gasket mounted blocker keebs FUCK

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be-LazY t1_jclutmv wrote

more options on the same layout is good, otherwise you could be stuck on a company that you dont like, right?

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XayrCorgi t1_jclw31m wrote

I laugh at this but then I remember myself eyeing that Ginkgo65 Pro like I was gonna violate it 😭😭😭

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Advanced_Guidance_32 t1_jcmmdjj wrote

Honestly want more 65s with a layout like the ikki68

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ExpiredDeodorant OP t1_jcmntgq wrote

I wish they ran more rounds of that board

People can talk about zoom being the one to start the budget 65% war but ikki 68 aurora did it earlier and with a more unique layout

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BevinMaster t1_jckbptb wrote

Seing more Symmetrical WKL 65 would be nice imo, more choices 👌

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SukoKing t1_jclypcf wrote

If anyone is still buying a 65% nowadays then they should have their money removed from them

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lightfalcon11620 t1_jcmcaif wrote

Me who is currently in the process of making one

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comepinga666 t1_jcka8k0 wrote

Yeah at this point group buys are just providing exit liquidity for scammers like Rama, keycult, etc

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