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Cobertt t1_iy0kh7n wrote

Reply to comment by hiszpanskiinkwizytor in Problem with group buys by hiszpanskiinkwizytor

Yeah but zeal had prototypes for the Xeno, and your directly arguing that this hobby doesn’t do that. So again my point stands. I’m not happy with delays either but currently there is no reasonable other option for extremely niche hobbies, and your solutions was impractical.

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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy0ngn2 wrote

Excuse me, where did I state that prototypes matter? I only say that if you do prototypes and they don't meet your standards, it's on you and not on clients who attend GB. You should take the fuckup under account and add it to the deadline instead of being a hype boy that says everything will go perfectly fine.

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Cobertt t1_iy0o05v wrote

When I said that if you ran it in your world no one would have protos before production because they’d have to use funds to buy the supplies and your response was that’s how it already is. I didn’t say be a hype boy either. You’re just frustrated that there isn’t a logical solution. Which is fair, but you’re digging a hole here.

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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy0oqcd wrote

There is a logical solution and I stated it in my original post.

If you want a proto, do it on your own and then start a GB. Not the other way around.

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Cobertt t1_iy0owzk wrote

That’s already how it’s done. You’re literally arguing against yourself at this point.

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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy0p8hv wrote

Not how it went in GBs I was attending. You are just arguing for the sake of winning.

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Cobertt t1_iy0plz3 wrote

What are you doing then because you haven’t made a good point yet? And like I said if you chose to buy something that had no proto, then that’s on you, don’t try and start some grand hate thread on group buys when you failed to do what might be the simplest part of buying into something, making sure the product actually exists or even could exist.

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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy0pulm wrote

>when you failed to do what might be the simplest part of buying into something, making sure the product actually exists or even could exist.

Can you elaborate? English is not my main language and I think my skill surrendered here.

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Cobertt t1_iy0q4bi wrote

You joined a group buy that had no prototype or proof of concept, which means the runner had no example in hand. This is usually a red flag and signals that you shouldn’t join the group buy. You chose to take that risk.

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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy0qjam wrote

You are completely right, I give you that. I chosed poor group buys - Zeal's Xeno, first GMK Dots, first Massdrop x T0mb3ry GMK Carbon, etc.
Can you give me an example of runners that sticked to their deadlines?

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Cobertt t1_iy0r0hy wrote

GMK generally doesn’t require prototypes because they already have the tooling. There aren’t very many through Covid, but that’s at no fault of the runners, pre Covid there definitely were GBs that stuck to their deadlines and estimates.

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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy0rtt9 wrote

I will ask again, can you give me examples of runners that kept their deadlines?
From my experience, GMK group buys don't stick to their deadlines. I don't know if it's the manufacturer's fault or the runners but I blame the runner in the end because I am not buying keycaps from GMK. I buy them from the runner.

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Cobertt t1_iy0s9gp wrote

I’m not going through 10 years of GH posts. You’re buying them from a runner knowing they are at the mercy of GMK lead times. How are you going to blame the runner when GMK changes the deliverable time. That’s not the runners fault. You’re holding runners accountable for manufacturers short comings. It’s unreasonable.

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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy0tiln wrote

I am not buying keycaps from GMK, do you understand that? :D I would bother GMK about not sending me my keycaps if I bought it from them.

> I’m not going through 10 years of GH posts.

You just admitted that you don't have any example on any input in this conversation any more. Thank you for the involvement.

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Cobertt t1_iy0u2g0 wrote

No you are buying understanding that the delivery of them is dependent on GMK’s ability to produce them. It’s an understood part of the hobby. Look at this link for a current gmk group buy. https://mechsandco.com/products/gb-gmk-beige-addon-extension

It states you understand that shipping is an estimate and can be extended. This is what you agree to when purchasing. There is even a whole section on group buys.

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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy0u9z7 wrote

What's the point of giving a deadline then?

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Cobertt t1_iy0ud61 wrote

They give estimates not deadlines. You’re taking an estimate and applying the term deadline to it.

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hiszpanskiinkwizytor OP t1_iy0vbv2 wrote

How much further is it ok to go from an estimate? Is one week ok? A month? A year? Or as experienced over two years?

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Cobertt t1_iy0vkbi wrote

That’s not my place to say. Obviously any delay is unacceptable for you, so you should stick to instock buys from now on. I’m fine waiting until the product is done right given that I get clear communication throughout the process.

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