Submitted by Comfortable_Mango_11 t3_10mvfgn in MechanicalKeyboards
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Duckaerobics t1_j65diod wrote
Looking at iso layouts on 65's I think that should be backslash.
Ramoneri t1_j65dqzn wrote
Isn't there supposed to be \ slash like this?
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j65erbk wrote
I plugged it in and at the moment it's mapped as squiggly Spanish thing and a grave(?) accent. I have a key like that but it's from the top row and a completely different shape! Since I don't need that key at all I will figure out something to put there instead and try to map it with the software which I haven't even looked at yet.
cynicalusername t1_j65g5ua wrote
ESC key?
bleepblooOOOOOp t1_j65gl5z wrote
I've got my < > next to shift, using ISO (that's how it works on Swedish layouts)
Edit: Ah, googled it, looks like UK ISO got tilde grave accent next to shift. On Nordic (and German?) it's < / >.
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j65gvlp wrote
seems I can set it to anything I like with the software... so maybe I'll make it do something daft like turn off the backlight...
h4x_x_x0r t1_j65htol wrote
It's the "< > |" button on the German layout, in case that helps you. It's a pain finding key caps in this layout so you might have to make do with a hole or other cap. :/
TheTargeter t1_j65nqvs wrote
Keychron’s default keymap has KC_NUBS there (non-US backslash, \ and |). But you can put whatever’s convenient to you there of course.
Julesjulesbarca t1_j65ntwp wrote
This is for a 1u pipe key. If your set is ISO and has no 1u pipe key then you are getting the wrong set lol
pedrorq t1_j65o4bk wrote
Nice keycaps what are those?
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j65u4gt wrote
Haha! I wish I could say! I found them on the German branch of Jeff Bezos's megashop. They're called "UK Keycaps 172 Keys Double Shot SA Profile Layout 6.25u/7u ISO/ANSI Layout Suitable for Mechanical Keyboard Keycap GH60 GK64 RK61"
I thought the packaging itself would give me a sexier name, but they arrived in a brown carton labelled "UK 174 Dark Blue Brown Keycaps." So I guess that's what they're called!
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j65ulf2 wrote
I put a + sign in there.... I use + a lot more often than the French grave accent which I think is supposed to be there!
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j65v28x wrote
Yeah I should have fired up the software earlier... it's really nice being able to have any key do whatever the heck you want it to do (a totally new experience for me!)
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j65wk7u wrote
Oh these ISO keyboards are a doorway into a world of pain! Now I remember why I stuck to ANSI and nothing but ANSI all these years!
nek_wizard t1_j65zobd wrote
I'm a fan of having -_ key on my main
Julesjulesbarca t1_j661w4z wrote
Fair enough! Just letting you know that the "official" layout would be that, but if you decide to go with +, that's great too!
pedrorq t1_j664fqs wrote
Found them, thanks! They're indeed very nice
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j664jw7 wrote
Yes I have just noticed how often I use "-" ! (So I put it under the + key which I used to fill the gap.)
I've also set the square bracket keys to produce round brackets which I use often. So far I have never once needed square brackets!
sehrgut t1_j669cmr wrote
Put whatever you want there, based on what you will use. tilde/grave and backslash/pipe are what I would be deciding between, as a programmer.
frailetok t1_j66b042 wrote
ISO is superior, worry not
Also, nice keycaps (got the same ones on my Q2 lol)
fyonn t1_j66ny3x wrote
Wow, an ISO Q9. First one I’ve seen. I even asked keychron for a pic of an iso Q9 and they couldn’t send me one!
I do fancy one. Or do I wait for the V9? Or the V9 pro maybe… :)
Once it’s got the remaining keys installed, can you post another pic?
OfCourse4726 t1_j66sv02 wrote
what do you do with the twisting knob?
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dubyakay t1_j674wyx wrote
This board is truly a freak of nature. It's not a 40s board, but more like a numrowless 65. Looks like tons of fun.
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j67mmfw wrote
Thump to mute in case porn starts playing too loud
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j67mrdz wrote
Yeah it's quite nice being able to make a dream keyboard - but in my case I am very used to the regular layout so it's a bit of a struggle at the moment!
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j67mtr3 wrote
Sure I'll do it later today. I was also amazed I couldn't find any pics of this online. I'm not usually this adventurous.
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j67mzdc wrote
Yes without cursor keys I go bananas. That's just too much masochism as far as I am concerned! Though having to press three buttons to get a "!" is err... fairly nuts, I have to say. Maybe I'll make that the mystery button between shift and Z.
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j67nb22 wrote
But if you are used to ANSI just buy the ANSI version! I noticed too late you can get blue/knb/ansi from Keychron online. I ordered from a shop that only had the Blue/knob variety in ISO.
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j67nesp wrote
Actually I just love being able to control volume that way. Especially on this, it's a lot easier than the two key combination to mute (or increase volume etc)
fyonn t1_j67va7s wrote
Alas I’m not used to ansi, I’m used to iso. And the missing keys make it awkward to try and use a UK keycap which I want to do as I need to use the £ symbol often enough for it to be a problem.
And I know that you can access the £ symbol on the window’s international keycap but that is annoying for other reasons.
I bought an ansi Q2 and ended up replacing it with an iso board.
I do kinda wish that Mac and windows had an option for a keyboard driver where the symbol/function of every key was entirely defined by the keyboard. So I don’t need to worry about what comes up when I press shift 2, I can define it exactly on the board…
fyonn t1_j67vhfa wrote
Thanks 😊
Keychron have been fairly adventurous with their layouts.. next can we have the q9 with a built in side numpad? 😀
Signaturisti t1_j67zg3i wrote
>I couldn't find a picture anywhere of a completed Q9 with ISO layout.
Same! I found the Q9 for the first time today while visiting Keychron's site and got quite interested but couldn't find any pictures of complete ISO until this one of yours!
Now that I look at it I must say I'd prefer ANSI on this layout mainly to have proper backspace. Also looks more sleek and symmetrical! On 60%s and up ISO enter is still my thing!
> Isn't it weird that they don't have stabilisers for the left side shift key?
Totally normal in ISO and even in general! 1.25u (LShift) or even that 1.75u Right Shift keycap cant fit stabilizers
Signaturisti t1_j680zp3 wrote
Was first ISO Q9 I've seen as well!
If they release a V9 I'll pull the trigger for sure! Nearly 200 EUR (w/ taxes) for such board is just too much!
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j6810cy wrote
Yes the weird position of the return key is really getting on my tits. Also, I keep hitting the non-existant delete key above it... this is gonna take some getting used to!
Signaturisti t1_j6811uy wrote
Candybar!
Signaturisti t1_j6821q9 wrote
>So I don’t need to worry about what comes up when I press shift 2, I can define it exactly on the board…
QMK/VIA let you do exactly those kinds of things
fyonn t1_j6849pb wrote
Does it? Could I use via to configure a key to be 3 normally but ! when shifted?
fyonn t1_j684lkd wrote
Yeah, that’s where I am too. I do love that it takes normal sized caps though. I have a UT47.2 and none of its cap sizes are bloody annoying! I’m hoping that the forthcoming DSS Lightcycle will be a nice match for them..
fyonn t1_j684n3t wrote
I want a candy bar with iso keys! 😀
StevesRoomate t1_j68bct9 wrote
Which keycaps are those? They look great with the Navy Keychron case.
StevesRoomate t1_j68bgtn wrote
Would buy.
frailetok t1_j68jf23 wrote
If OP's set is actually the same from mine, they are Aifei SA keycaps, the colorway of which is based on a set called Wahtsy or something. I bought mine of amazon, and the profile (which is not exactly SA, but more rounded and stuff) is great.
StevesRoomate t1_j68mp15 wrote
Yeah it looks almost like an MT3 profile which is why I was confused. There's a DOMIKEY Knight set with some similar colorways, and some of the Godspeed options also look pretty close to that. It's making me want to do some keycap shopping. Thank you for the info!
fyonn t1_j68xjlh wrote
just to expand on my previous comment, as I'm now sitting at a keyboard rather than on my phone. yes, I can use QMK or via to configure what scan codes the keyboard sends to the computer, but how those scan codes are interpreted by the OS is at the mercy of the keymap. so for the UK, I configure a button as 3 and the OS decides whether shift-3 is £ or #. I'd like an option for both Mac and windows to allow me to have exactly what character or function every key does configurable from the keyboard alone, and not rely on the keymap to interpret what it thinks I mean.
I know this is a hold-over from back in the days but it feels like something we could fix.
Also, I'd want this key mode to be baked into the OS so that I can still use it on locked down work machines...
PS. incidentally I had to get # from the Mac symbol tool as I have no idea where it is mapped... or even if it is mapped... oh.. it's alt-3 apparently... again, that's a keymap thing, not what I've told the keyboard to generate.
fyonn t1_j68xwuo wrote
If you're really struggling with it, then there's a UK person here who would love it ;)
[deleted] t1_j690f56 wrote
What keycaps? I love them
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j69e8u8 wrote
Strangely they don't have a name but here's where I found them. They were sent to me from UK so took a few days.
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/dp/B09NVHM6FN?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
bleepblooOOOOOp t1_j69hztd wrote
As a Swede, there's a lot of developers at work that actually use iso keyboards but with US keyboard layout because it's less cumbersome to type brackets and curly brackets and so on, but I tried buying one ANSI keyboard once just because they look nice and wow.. couldn't really get it to work nicely with Swedish for some reason. Sticking with ISO. :D
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kemonkey1 t1_j6b7l3p wrote
I just got a Q9 last week. But it's not the ISO one thing I really wished I had on the right side of the keyboard would be an extra fn key. Mine only has em on the right side and most of the things I change layers for are on the right side as well. So it is awkward for me to do it all with one hand.
I say put an fn key there even if it is a repeat of one on the right
vsMyself t1_j6btgc3 wrote
I use volume on one layer, zoom in and out on the second layer. Pretty neat finding uses for it
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j6clev3 wrote
I think the ISO version is a disaster because they don't have an obvious place for the delete key!
kemonkey1 t1_j6ii3bj wrote
Whoops. I meant left side. I wish i had an extra fn key in the left. I agree with you. Actually i also have my delete key on that right island key.
Comfortable_Mango_11 OP t1_j65c2ek wrote
I made the mistake of buying an ISO layout Q9 barebones. I usually use the ANSI layout. I thought I'd just copy the keys from a product photo of, say, a complete UK Q9, but then I realised Keychron doesn't sell the Q9 ISO in a completed form. I couldn't find a picture anywhere of a completed Q9 with ISO layout.
Luckily my keycaps - which arrived today - have multiple sizes for shift keys etc. Buuuut only the smallest shift key fits here. There are no stabilisers for what I'd call a normal size shift key. This creates a blank spot between shift and Z. I started out with ZXC etc one step to the left.. which moves the problem to the right side, and puts those keys in the wrong place.
Has anyone put one of these things together? Isn't it weird that they don't have stabilisers for the left side shift key? I can't believe they don't provide any diagram or anything to show how it's supposed to look.