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zimmerdaon t1_j9g9o6m wrote

Gotta firmly disagree here. I love hip hop, but structurally & instrumentally hip hop is easily one of the LEAST versatile genres in the world. If you wanna talk about "umbrella" genres, rock has had more diversification of its forms in the past 30-40 years by a landslide. i.e. prog rock, fusion, hardcore, thrash, grind, and so on. Jazz is arguably even more diverse. Flamenco too.

Hip hop traditionally follows a pop song structure (always in 4/4 time, always 8-16 bar verses sometimes without even a hook to mix things up. You may think it SOUNDS versatile because it can use samples from virtually anything, but they're all being used in the same way. The rhythms of the songs barely change in the grand scheme of music's potential.

Historically, the lack of versatility has been one of the biggest criticisms of rap from traditionalists & theorists.

Hip-hop is still for the children, don't get me wrong.

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Lol32112300 OP t1_j9ganok wrote

Link me one popular rap song without a hook

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zimmerdaon t1_j9gbc6d wrote

Lol easy.

https://music.apple.com/us/album/duckworth/1440881047?i=1440881812 - no hook

https://music.apple.com/us/album/triumph-feat-ol-dirty-bastard-inspectah-deck-method/268503472?i=268503852

https://music.apple.com/us/album/no-hook/1440835945?i=1440836533

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zimmerdaon t1_j9gbkpy wrote

The entire history of battle rap is a hookless practice. Again, i only said sometimes to begin with. But there are plenty of examples.

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Lol32112300 OP t1_j9gcco2 wrote

Those are not popular rap songs and 2 of them are from 15+ years ago lol

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zimmerdaon t1_j9gd0v6 wrote

Well now you're just bein goofy. I didn't say the most popular rap songs don't have hooks, did I? I said sometimes rap doesn't even add hooks to diversify its structure. Then I showed you three examples from three of the most popular rap artists of all time, because you wanted to bring in popularity like that's a relevant factor. Plus who tf cares if it's from 15 years ago? In your OP you literally listed Nas as an example. He started over 20 years ago. Rap ain't that versatile, it ain't that complicated.

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Lol32112300 OP t1_j9gd3b4 wrote

Rap is way more versatile than rock brodie

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zimmerdaon t1_j9gd8gq wrote

lacks sufficient evidence repeats original theory as evidence of original theory

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zimmerdaon t1_j9gdb5j wrote

I get the feeling you're associating versatility with evaluative assessment. Those are different things. Just because something is less versatile doesn't mean it's less good, or valid. It's just a different thing.

If you don't wanna accept rock, then take jazz, and then it's game over. Nothing is more versatile than jazz. That was the whole spirit of jazz to begin with. Improvisation.

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Naive_Wolf3740 t1_j9gdcah wrote

Dr. Dooom- No Chorus

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Lol32112300 OP t1_j9gdnfr wrote

Not known

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zimmerdaon t1_j9ge5vw wrote

Dude something being lesser known has zero relevance to a binary question. You're not even worth arguing with because you just want* rap to be the most versatile because you think that makes it better somehow. Hip hop is like my #2 genre in life & i'm still smart enough to recognize it isn't because of its versatility.

Its like you're saying a grilled cheese sandwich is more a complex recipe than Pad Thai. It's just not. And then you're like "but pad thai doesnt even taste good". Like bro that shit has nothing to do with what you said.

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JustBoredIsAll t1_j9gf8w9 wrote

He lost me when he said everything in the 90s sounded the same. Seems like an edgy teenager that's just here to jerk off his favorite mainstream rapper. I can't take him seriously.

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zimmerdaon t1_j9gfe39 wrote

Im foolish for disregarding that outta pocket statement in the first place & continuing to argue with him.

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JustBoredIsAll t1_j9gu5mj wrote

Looks like the kid does quite a bit of shit posting and trolling in music subs.

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