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DevinBelow t1_j9gc163 wrote

I would definitely know Playboi and Nas are the same genre.

Now listen to something like Coltrane's Giant Steps next to Armstrong's version of Hello Dolly next to Birdland by Weather Report. A genre like Jazz just has so many more directions it can go off on than Hip-hop or virtually any other genre, because of how it plays with modes, and rhythms, and chord progressions. It really makes Hip Hop seems very homogenous in comparison.

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zimmerdaon t1_j9gcf6u wrote

Exactlyyyyy. Even rock's most versatile corners are just stealing from jazz haha.

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Lol32112300 OP t1_j9gcy6x wrote

Do these two songs sound like they definitely are in the same genre? https://youtu.be/buincVFp-yM and https://youtu.be/JRK_in-dkRY

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zimmerdaon t1_j9gdloo wrote

They're both sample based electronic instrumentals in 4/4 time within a 10-15bpm range of eachother, both with spoken word poetry & an emphasis on simple kick drum patterns & bass frequencies.

It ain't rocket science.

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Lol32112300 OP t1_j9gdqbj wrote

Stop breathing has heavy autotune and has melodic parts, not just spoken word poetry.

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zimmerdaon t1_j9ge8iy wrote

Autotune is just an effect, just like reverb, delay, or compression. Thats like saying "metal is different because it has distortion." Thats not what makes it different.

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Lol32112300 OP t1_j9geiuu wrote

Thats cool and all but Carti used autotune as an instrument

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zimmerdaon t1_j9geyog wrote

Alright this is my last comment cos its clear you just don't know a lot about what defines a genre but are too stubborn to deal with that.

Using it "as an instrument" (which isnt even possible, because its literally an effect. You cant have autotune without something to use it on. Autotune doesnt generate a sound that didnt come from something else) it still doesn't make it a versatile genre. Hip hop traditionally doesnt even use instruments. Every other genre in the world besides electronic branches do. Thats not very versatile. This is a fundamentally ignorant point of view to have. Why do you think there isn't a single comment on this thread that agrees with you? It's all good, but its just incorrect. It has nothing to do with rap being cool or being worth listening to. It has everything to do with basic theory & music history. Go read about it. Or better, actually listen to more music.

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zimmerdaon t1_j9gddd1 wrote

Yeah, actually, they do. They sound like two subgenres of the same basic thing with negligible differences.

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Lol32112300 OP t1_j9gdj31 wrote

Good argument, Id say the same about all rock sub genres

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zimmerdaon t1_j9gdv2z wrote

Except you'd be wrong. They all use guitars & drums, sure. But prog rock operates in fucking wild time signatures, with sometimes multiple bridges per song, refrains, and really broad styles of guitar playing that oftentimes come from different continents.

Kraut-rock guitar playing has nothing to do with the delta southern blues guitar licks.

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jfhjjfgjj t1_j9harjf wrote

I disagree. Hip hop IS modern jazz. Old Jazz is very restrictive. Almost every standard is based on the ii-V-I chord progression, and in 4/4. The instrumentation is very predictable, and since Charlie Parker, basically every jazz musician has the same way of phrasing. It’s a genre that is comprised mostly of melodic cliches that were established in the 40s and 50s. Jazz fans always want to hear the same shit at every gig. The only people who are pushing jazz forward are hip hop artists like madlib, Robert Glasser and terrace Martin. Don’t get me wrong, A Love Supreme is one of my favorite records of all time. But in 2023, hip hop is what Jazz turned into.

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