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[deleted] OP t1_j69nyj9 wrote
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TheFlyingNone t1_j69oi2y wrote
You know why.
GodsBane666 t1_j69onpl wrote
I really don’t. Otherwise it wouldn’t of been something I’m curious about.
chedykrueger t1_j69oral wrote
Are you not gunna answer him ?
Exiled_From_Twitter t1_j69owik wrote
You literally just made this entire scenario up in your head lol
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GodsBane666 t1_j69pcnh wrote
https://www.insider.com/john-mayer-problematic-controversies-timeline-racism-sexism?amp
Literally just search the last 10 years of pop stars/ singers accused of misogyny, while an entire genre of music raps about how many “bitches and hoes” they get.
GodsBane666 t1_j69pjhz wrote
No I didn’t?
PastChair3394 t1_j69pmxm wrote
Didn’t lizzo get in trouble for saying spazz
Exiled_From_Twitter t1_j69pseb wrote
You didn't provide a single example. This is not a real thing that happens or else you would have plenty of examples to lean upon. This is entirely anecdotal based on perception, not reality.
GodsBane666 t1_j69ptww wrote
Yea. While the misogyny part gets left alone.
GodsBane666 t1_j69pvel wrote
https://www.insider.com/john-mayer-problematic-controversies-timeline-racism-sexism?amp
Literally just search the last 10 years of pop stars/ singers accused of misogyny, while an entire genre of music raps about how many “bitches and hoes” they get.
mostlyapollo t1_j69q3oe wrote
>While rappers on the other hand get ignored by the mainstream for saying the most off the wall shit imaginable about women.
Such as...?
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Gathose1 t1_j69q80p wrote
Yea, I mean I berly listen to music news and this even rings true for me. Rap says some crazy shit and NOBODY talks about it at all.
PastChair3394 t1_j69q86m wrote
It’s super weird what gets called out and what doesn’t, I agree
Tarantula_Saurus_Rex t1_j69qlsr wrote
This reminds me of The Prodigy - Smack My Bitch Up https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smack_My_Bitch_Up
Shit was on the radio, I remember hearing cars blasting it driving around.
E_Snap t1_j69qtzd wrote
You’re nuts. He did not.
loolacachoo t1_j69quq1 wrote
Rap is largely demonized BECAUSE of the misogyny but it is also considered the norm within the industry. It's not that people don't talk about it lol. They talk circles around the subject but what are they gonna do, publicly outrage? They'll do it again...and again...and again cus it's what they do, they don't give a damn, and it's been accepted within the industry. People who make different sorts of music may receive backlash but that's because you're deviating from the norm for that genre. It'll die down as it always does but it will continue be taboo unless people start to normalize it.
E_Snap t1_j69r1au wrote
Hol up, are you really asking people to provide evidence for misogynistic lyrics in rap? Because if you are, you gonna have to take a good long look in the mirror and learn to be honest with yourself.
Unless, of course, your only exposure to rap is Lin-Manuel Miranda?
broyoyoyoyo t1_j69r4ls wrote
Literally none of those have anything to do with what you're suggesting. The people in #1,3,4 were accused of sexism/racism for comments made outside their music, not anything in their song lyrics. #2 is dailymail trash quoting obscure tweets. Some people call Shakira out for objectifying women because she is also a woman, but I don't see any widespread outrage, it's just sone cherrypicked tweets.
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mostlyapollo t1_j69r8ac wrote
I want an example where the rapper didn't get any backlash. Obviously there is misogyny in rap but I've always seen it met with heavy criticism.
Waylandyr t1_j69rmhp wrote
Except .. That wasn't about smacking bitches lol
mostlyapollo t1_j69rw9f wrote
Have you considered that you just haven't heard anyone talk about it because you barely listen to music news, like you said?
redcrowe456 t1_j69s499 wrote
Yah but also indie artists ain’t getting 25 to life off lyrics so it’s not like there lyrics ain’t being called out but just the more evil shit ps also sometimes they do but it seems to be if the radio likes them or not I know a load of Aussie rappers got banned from radio stations cos of lyrics like that but us where getting played and love from the radio so it like everything else in mainstream music is fucked
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stench_montana t1_j69sqvy wrote
People did criticize rap for that stuff for a long time, but the loudest voices that did were more conservative/religious types. Modern critics don't want to align or associate their brand of criticism with that type of social critic.
Exiled_From_Twitter t1_j69srxq wrote
Now google rap stars in trouble over lyrics and read the overwhelming amount of responses you will get. Quit glossing over reality to push some bs narrative bud. The last article isn't even about lyrics lol, it's about how Moby treated her personally.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/17/arts/music/eminem-ariana-grande-lyrics.html
https://www.xxlmag.com/15-lyrics-that-got-rappers-in-trouble/
Get real dude.
The reason you hear about one over the other is b/c of what you actively listen to. It's also important to note who each artist is targeting in their music. Hardcore rap is not going to be put under the microscope by their fans b/c they expect it, they don't care. Media will still go to great lengths to paint them in a negative light but the fan bases just don't give a shit. Same can't be said about these other people.
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GodsBane666 t1_j69t377 wrote
Ok, nevermind. I was just curious over something that I’ve perceived over the years. I didn’t make the post to debate people who are either pretending to not know what I’m talking about or are just willfully ignorant. I’m out because it’s just exhausting.
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Exiled_From_Twitter t1_j69t8wu wrote
Absolutely did, rappers are constantly taken to task for their lyrics.
SwoopzB t1_j69t92r wrote
Because for fans of the genre of rap you are describing, the misogyny is part of the appeal, part of the brand. Along with guns, drugs, etc. It stems from 90s gangster rap, which in its purest form described the life experiences of individuals who grew up in crime riddled, impoverished inner city areas where these themes were prevalent in every day life. In the late 90s/ early 00s the music began to glamorize the lifestyle and this is the stuff todays rappers grew up listening to.
That is all to say, the people who this music speaks to most are not the type to call for the “cancellation” over socially inappropriate lyrical content.
On the other hand, fans of John Meyer tend to shade a little more on the suburban side of society. This demographic is more likely to be socially liberal or at least present as such and therefore the artists they listen to will face more scrutiny.
You don’t have to look far to find people calling out rap for its lyrics. That’s been happening since rap existed. Those people don’t listen to rap, though.
TLDR: “career ending” cancellations only happen when the people doing the boycotting are the same people spending money on the music.
Exiled_From_Twitter t1_j69tc8l wrote
They are constantly under the microscope for their lyrics, you just aren't seeing it. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
thisismyname03 t1_j69teum wrote
As a deep lover of hip hop, especially 90’s New York style, it’s also incredibly interesting with how many people can write oppressive lyrics about any subject really, while also claiming to be the oppressed.
The culture is wild. Not all of it is this way, but it’s just so ironic to see a collective group of individuals from very specific walks of life sing battle cries about racism and oppression and then DIRECTLY write about those topics directed at other groups of minorities and women.
Again, not all of hip hop is like this, but the main culture around it surely is.
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E_Snap t1_j69udyd wrote
And their ongoing fame and fortune is more or less entirely unaffected by the fallout said lyrics may create. It’s such a part of their brand that the controversy drives music sales for them.
J0hnEddy t1_j69v21z wrote
To put it simply, that kind of rap music attracts an audience that doesn’t care in the first place. It’s a genre that’s rooted in being braggadocious and getting a reaction out of people. Not saying it’s wrong or right, but that’s just who consumes hip hop. There’s no precedent for, let’s say, car seat headrest to call women bitches or anything like that, it’s not the image that got them popular in the first place.
Also, like others have said, rap has been under fire for literally 30 years from feminist groups. Tipper Gore and the PMRC literally tried to get 2 Live Crew banned from American retailers over misogynistic lyrics. I can remember being in middle school and having several moms demand Eminem was banned from the school because of songs like “kill you” Those guys have had to answer for their art since the beginning
Gathose1 t1_j69vuf6 wrote
I never said it never happens, I said it rings true for me and that I only ever hear criticisms for non rap artists.
Unless your talking about the religious right, but nobody cares when they criticize it
MurkDiesel t1_j69x2cz wrote
it's very important to remember that as a successful rapper, you will, in fact, encounter all kinds of women displaying behaviors that are oppositional to traditional views of women or what would usually be defined as "a lady"
i've seen it
two things can be true
women can be smart, demure, composed, elegant and many other adjectives
and they can also not
just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
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Exiled_From_Twitter t1_j69xbfc wrote
Ringing true for you is absolutely meaningless, your little world is not representative of the world at large. That's like saying you can't believe other languages are spoken b/c you don't hear it often.
SeaSetsuna t1_j69zkzx wrote
I excluded articles about song lyrics, of which there are many.
Gathose1 t1_j6a06z6 wrote
Ok.... When did I say it was?
Exiled_From_Twitter t1_j6a0kke wrote
You trying to confirm the post by saying it was true for you and then restating the post. That's when.
STM4EVA t1_j6a2wfv wrote
First rule of getting away with it is - Be a man.
Second rule is - Don't be a woman, that makes you a bitch.
There can be exceptions but those are the rules.
Music history is full of women getting shafted in a man's world. Courtney Love & Madonna are a couple of prime examples.
Courtney got blamed for Kurt losing his head and then got shafted again for speaking out against Harvey Weinstein (years ago when her acting career was on the rise)
Madonna has always been made to look like a bitch for the crime of being outspoken.
If Either one had been a man they would be rock gods!
Gathose1 t1_j6a35kx wrote
So stating my experience means that nobody else's could possibly be true? Is that what you think I mean?
Exiled_From_Twitter t1_j6a3ap7 wrote
He's asking a broad question, a narrow experience doesn't matter and it insinuates you're agreeing
Gathose1 t1_j6a4sz9 wrote
Then why are you this upset?
mikeyzee52679 t1_j69nsbn wrote
I’d like to see the articles about the pop stars first.