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Newarkguy1836 t1_jblwtup wrote

The centerpiece is such a monstrosity. Perfect example of a receding civilization. The surrounding walls are a nice touch with the names embedded. It could have been combined with another design such as the young Harriet Tubman statue with the Newark history and it's parallel with Tubman designsAfrican Americans imprinted on her dress.

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AgitatedAorta t1_jbmwqfp wrote

I would have preferred a more traditional statue myself. But calling it "an example of a receding civilization" is the kind of hyperbole that makes people not take what you say seriously. There's always been mediocre art in all periods.

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RationalMellow t1_jbrqsey wrote

When I hear “receding” I think of a hairline. Sorry if anyone spits their drink out in laughter.

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DCDavis t1_jbnstgz wrote

Yeah this is a trash opinion my guy.

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Echos_myron123 t1_jbo5hhy wrote

I don't like a monument therefore civilization is receding. Come on.

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Newarkguy1836 t1_jbpnpjz wrote

For thousands of years, every civilization 's visual Arts has improved upon the civilization before it. The trend has always been towards more realism. It was the given from the time man left the caves, to the sumerians, Egypt, India and Far East, culminating with the Greek, Roman & peaking with the US/English Victorian era. Then something happened in the early 20th century, everything stalled and became not so realistic. Art deco sculptures began, then cubism, abstractism the degradation continues to the point where a a crucifix in a toilet bowl full of rotting urine is considered "a monument". The trend now is towards not just unrealistic, but sheer lunacy with random pipes and metals, Justified by the excuse you're supposed to see the "spiritual aspect of it".

Either you refuse to acknowledge what I'm talking about, or you're like one of the four Blind Men. Each one clutching a leg and refusing to acknowledge the opinion of other three and realize the big elephant above them.

I'm not against abstract art. I believe abstract art should be about Concepts, not about individuals. Harriet Tubman was not a bunch of wires with a hollow interior. She deserved a lot better then what looks like a used Christmas lights wire prop up with wires curving (a dress?) down the side. Not a bunch of politicians and social activists and a photo op with the mayor pretending the thing behind them is the most beautiful thing they've ever seen. But hey, you have your tastes I have mine.

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RationalMellow t1_jbs0a5z wrote

But that’s kinda the reason for it being called abstract art. Pretending? But where did they say it was beautiful?

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RationalMellow t1_jchptvo wrote

I saw it for the first time today. I will say it looks much better in person than what the photos show.

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kzapwn t1_jbljgy6 wrote

My father was a Knight of Columbus: an Italian American and I paid money to the American Italian Anti-Defamation League counsel, we're the victims here

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ScrollHectic t1_jblmu4s wrote

Christopher Columbus, who we should remember enslaved many native Americans and while governor of Hispaniola would have the bodies of the native Tiano he killed paraded through the streets, has many streets, cities, towns, universities and even our nation's capital named after him. I think he's gotten enough recognition.

There's no shortage of famous and important people from Italy. No need to hold on to the legacy of one man with so much blood on his hands.

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sutisuc t1_jbly7k4 wrote

LMAO peak persecution fetish

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kzapwn t1_jblzj45 wrote

If he was a Madigan around nowadays he'd be a member of some victim's group: the fundamentalist Christians, the abused cowboys, the gays, whatever the fuck

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sutisuc t1_jbm0ela wrote

Yeah you got me I didn’t Catch the sopranos reference lol

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ScrollHectic t1_jbmnnw4 wrote

Me neither. Never watched the Sopranos. I know, I know...

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effort268 t1_jblpy6x wrote

They didnt destroy the statue, it will likely be put in a musuem where his story will be told, good and bad.

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kzapwn t1_jblq9oc wrote

He discovered America is what he did. He was a brave Italian explorer. And in this house, Christopher Columbus is a hero. End of story!

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ScrollHectic t1_jblvtbm wrote

He didn't discover it; there were already people here. And he thought he was in India the whole time...

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sutisuc t1_jblyazw wrote

He’s doing a bit from the sopranos

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kzapwn t1_jblwrte wrote

Antonio Meucci invented the telephone and he got robbed! Everybody knows that

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FriendlyBrownMan t1_jbm528b wrote

The amount of people “from jersey” that don’t get all of these soprano’s references bothers me. I laughed at all of them 🤣

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kzapwn t1_jbm56vz wrote

Didn’t most of these commenters almost drown in 3 inches of water? At the penguin exhibit.

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EngineSpecialist259 t1_jbm4i9e wrote

I’m literally part Viking, my ancestors were here 500 years before Columbus. NOBODY “discovered” a damned thing.

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kzapwn t1_jbm4xew wrote

Excuse me, let me tell you something... When America opened up the floodgates and let all us Italians in, what do you think they were doing it for? 'Cause they were trying to save us from poverty? No, they did it because they needed us.

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Newarkguy1836 t1_jbwb7q1 wrote

They didn't destroy the statue but they did damage it when they dumped it on a city vacant lot on Verona Avenue across the street from the shuttered Seton Factory. A local resident walking up Verona Avenue saw & recognized the mangled statue on a broken pallet among the weeds, in plain sight from the sidewalk. Separated from the public by a chain link fence.

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