7 Eleven to goSubmitted by mantunesofnewark t3_yrgvh4 in Newark
mantunesofnewark OP t1_ivtmnwn wrote
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i think many of the people in the vicinity of 7 Eleven thought the store was a net negative. they did very little to resolve the persistent loitering on their steps and just outside the store while not offering much to increase the desirability of the neighborhood.
NotTheOnlyGamer t1_ivtnr33 wrote
That's a matter for the Newark PD to handle, not the store. Closing a local business isn't a net positive.
mantunesofnewark OP t1_ivto8w4 wrote
closing a local business can be a net positive; it just depends on the context. for example, i think many residents of the ironbound would find shutting down the garbage burning plant to be a net positive, despite it being a business. there was some concern—not unfounded—that opening a 7 Eleven in that location ran counter to local goals of making the Ironbound a more thriving retail and restaurant scene. generally, convenience stores are not huge economic generators. they usually serve a very limited purpose. given the other options for being cheap stuff in the neighborhood, it really wasn't adding much.
ahtasva t1_ivue2nz wrote
A plant spewing toxic smoke form the burning garbage is not the equivalent to a convenience store selling chips and soda?
The ironbound already has the highest concentration of restaurants, barbers shops and mail saloons in the country l, but sure let’s shut down an existing business to make way for a magical restaurant.
The fact of the matter is simple, I walk by that store in during peak foot traffic hours 4 days a week. The homeless people who congregate there make access to the site an highly unappealing proposition. This is likely the main driver why the business closed. A convenience store in that type of location anywhere else would be a gold mine. Leave it to a moron like Micheal Silva to try and spin this as a good thing.
The police and the city refuse to address the loitering problem.
Wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the place to be magically transformed into restaurant. No one in his right mind would put one there.
charlesdv10 t1_ivuxr7c wrote
Anything that close to the station and the thousands of units that are being built is ripe for something to come in to that space
ahtasva t1_ivv08oo wrote
It if the entrance to the business is a homeless encampment 24/7.
charlesdv10 t1_ivv1ie2 wrote
Having visited LA, SF, Seattle etc, I think your description of a homeless encampment is overblown in the context of Newark.
Immediate proximity to any major transit line (especially end of the line) will have a similar set of issues.
I’m curious on your opinion of the Shaq tower and the Gateway developments?
sutisuc t1_ivuorsh wrote
Not a chance the ironbound has the highest concentration of restaurants, barber shops and nail salons in the country LOL where are you even pulling that out from?
ryanov t1_iwea584 wrote
I suspect Silva would agree with you that the police should address the loitering problem, but I definitely don't. Loitering is not a real problem, and over-policing is.
ahtasva t1_iwetiyh wrote
Loitering is not a problem if you are not the business owner who is running that 7-11.
I bet you would not think it over policing if a large congregation of homeless people were permanently camped out on your door steps, throwing their refuge indiscriminately, playing loud music, dealing and using drugs in the open. As much as I empathize with the homeless, I don’t see the logic of allowing them free reign to what are public spaces. How does it help them?
The well to do liberals who live in the heavily policed suburbs like Montclair and Glen Ridge and pay high property taxes for the privilege of not having to deal with the unwashed masses tell you that the homeless must be allowed to do as they please. They assuage their own guilt this way because it cost them nothing to so. It’s the poorest and most disadvantaged members of our society who pay the price for the failed policies they push.
Crime is up 30% at a time when the nation is at full employment. Only the delusional can be tricked into believing that “criminal justice reform” in the form of eliminating cash bail and setting dangerous repeat offenders out on the streets to victimize the poor and defenseless is a net good to society.
The truth is much more hard to digest. Criminal justice reform is the “cheapest” wokie policy that the dems could come up with to placate a base that they have been cheating for decades. Not higher minimum wages or better public education or publicly funded health care or higher education. All of that would cost their donors and their favored constituents; the laptop class to much. So they give you a policy that is failing even before it’s has been fully rolled out.
There is a housing crisis in this country and both parties are busy funding a proxy way with Russia that has us at the brink of nuclear catastrophe! 100billion for Ukraine and there are homeless people right now forced to take a shit in Peter Francisco park🤦🏾. Not one “progressive” opposes the war!! Tells you all you need to know about their priorities.
Is it any wonder that the Republicans, despite being a morally bankrupt party of reactionaries and outright loonies has managed to pull away upwards of 15% of the black and Latino vote!
More and more people are clueing in to the simple fact that the so called progressives don’t give one fuck for the people at the bottom beyond using them as cheap votes and canon fodder in the culture wars, but hey; you keep blaming the police; getting rid of the police is the solution we all deserve.
Nwk_NJ t1_iwecowa wrote
Go set up a commune.
ryanov t1_iwecrxn wrote
Go fuck yourself?
Nwk_NJ t1_iwedd88 wrote
All rage, no substance.
ryanov t1_iwedm0u wrote
You know what, when your substance is suggesting that we should sweep undesirables out of your field of view, maybe rage is warranted.
What isn’t warranted is the amount of time I’m wasting on this thread.
Thanks much, though, for your valuable “go set up a commune” contribution to the discourse.
Nwk_NJ t1_iweffve wrote
All rage. No reality.
I am pointing out facts. Some people do not respect public spaces and desecrate them.
Leaping from me pointing out basic reality to suggesting that means I want to sweep undesirables under the rug is an absolute misnomer. It's laughable.
So according to you revolutionaries, you can either tolerate bad behavior or else be accused of wanting to whipe people away and being racist? Such an absolute false premise.
You're just angry that standards exist in the world at all. Why not place some blame on those doing the wrong things rather than someone who has the audacity to call it out? What is with this new generation and their absolute rejection of common decency and their embrace of crime and the lowest common denominator?
Do you kids aspire to anything other than autonomous zones? (Which failed anyway)
ryanov t1_iwekht9 wrote
I'm not sure why you think that people who aren't respected themselves should have any particular respect for public spaces. People are far more important than public spaces.
I'm blaming someone doing something wrong: you. You have opinions like this, you make arguments like this, and I suspect you vote like this. You are part of the problem. Moving people on from a 7-Eleven does not solve any of these problems, it just makes sure you don't have to see them.
I graduated from high school in 2000, bro. I'm not sure what kind of "kid" that makes me.
NotTheOnlyGamer t1_ivu7m0w wrote
They want the plant closed, maybe - but when those workers are unemployed, the people saying NIMBY aren't going to be willing to pay bills for them or support them. We need jobs, we need businesses paying taxes in NJ. Until there's a plan in place to make sure those people are employed, and there's some guarantee of tax rev as well, we need those businesses.
If there is a 'local goal', then there should be more competition and someone should have bought them out. It shouldn't be a question of who's going in there, it should be that the moment 7-11 is out, there's a business champing at the bit to go in.
charlesdv10 t1_ivuxh6k wrote
Relative newbie here, but live down the street and walk past the 7/11 frequently.
I have not seen that the business was closed by the city, rather it was announced they have shut down of their own accord:
Having multiple 7/11’s in such close proximity seems to be a foolish decision, driven by the franchise store operators/management: they are all competing for the same business.
Sales volume to justify any 24/7 operation, the wages, the utilities and dealing with inflation all contribute to making these types of business operate on razor thin margins, in what is a relatively high cost to operate location, proving a limited net benefit.
An alternative business (seems a great spot for a bar, coffee, small restaurant), could provide greater employment, increased tax revenue, and help build community in the downtown area in proximity to Penn.
With all the condo buildings being built the demand for “things to do” will increase exponentially and it’s an excellent location (in a nice building) that could offer the Ironbound and Newark something more than currently exists
Nwk_NJ t1_ivucdtk wrote
They'll get something else in there.
Sumo_Cerebro t1_ivtqgel wrote
Market saturation my friend.
There are 2 7-Elevens on Broad Street and another right around the corner on Market.
It's the exact same store, and they are all 10-15 minute walks within each other.
Something had to change. Things like this are exactly why Downtown has been an Food Desert for ages.
ahtasva t1_ivuc802 wrote
So the remedy to fixing the food desert problem is closing down a 7-11? By the miracle of magical thinking, the organic coop grocery store is going to sweep in and fill that empty store front?😂😂
The loitering in front of that store existed long before the 7-11 existed. No matter what store you open there the homeless will congregate in front of it.
charlesdv10 t1_ivuxyz7 wrote
Fruit house on broad street has good produce and is much needed in the area: I try to go there vs Whole Foods!
ScrollHectic t1_ivvubz8 wrote
I wonder how long they'll stay in business. I hope they do. I go there occasionally but rarely see people in there. Reminds me of Markit that opened on Broad Street just past Broad Street Station maybe 10 years ago. I think they survived a year before closing...
ryanov t1_iweaeey wrote
?uestion Mart. Last I knew, the signs were still up.
I liked that store, but they seemed to have trouble keeping the things you'd need in stock.
ScrollHectic t1_iwhtqhw wrote
Yeah, that's it.
eastaleph t1_iw2oi8o wrote
Hasn't fruit house been open since before the pandemic?
ryanov t1_iweal2k wrote
I'm pretty sure they've been open a little more than a year.
TrafficSNAFU t1_ivv8w18 wrote
The 7-Eleven on Broad Street is also closing I believe.
ScrollHectic t1_ivvtuvs wrote
I do agree the 7-Eleven's downtown are close enough together that it's overkill, but the one in the Ironbound is far enough that it's location seems viable. There are 3 Krausers downtown too - all within 10 to 15 minute walks apart; no one is taking issue with that, so I don't think the concern is retail redundancy. The loitering is really the concern.
ryanov t1_iwea9af wrote
They all opened at virtually the same damn time too.
GregGregopolis t1_ivwn8u5 wrote
711 isn't a local business. Most of the money that passes through that store doesn't remain in or serve the community.
stephenclarkg t1_ivxw0q9 wrote
When the liquor stores near me closed it dramatically improved things lol
AsSubtleAsABrick t1_iw8eozs wrote
If the owners of that 7-11 consistently bothered the Newark PD to handle it, they likely would. They didn't want to.
Bottom line is that is a shitty spot for a 7-11. Would be better for a third wave coffee shop that actually cares about quality food.
loulloyd29 t1_ivudrxv wrote
Loitering????? Next to Newark Penn Station??? Ion think closing the 711 is gonna do much to solve that lmao
sutisuc t1_ivuomar wrote
Yeah let’s have a store employee making minimum wage go confront the people that loiter outside the 7-eleven.
disassociationfairy t1_ivubzc0 wrote
Your response is screaming coded language.
TenzeFiyer t1_iw9vnij wrote
I agree. Loitering is illegal but not enforced. I believe arrests should be made. Loitering just make areas look bad. Especially in front of convenient stores, and liquor stores. Also bad for business
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