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Mehnard t1_irvxbw8 wrote

Reply to comment by TittyButtBalls in Sharon Tate at the Premiere of Rosemary’s Baby - 1968 by gwynsbooty

It's a shame they had long prison sentences when they should have gotten short ropes.

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pduncpdunc t1_irw7mha wrote

Sounds like the easy way out. Life in prison is much worse IMO

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qh2150 t1_irwg2ln wrote

That must be why all death row inmates spend most of their sentence trying to get their executions stayed.

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tiy24 t1_irz9ghy wrote

If you think the state should execute people you’re accepting that eventually (and it’s way more common) an innocent will be killed. I think that’s immoral

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DeylanQuel t1_irzvza4 wrote

My beef has always been "You murdered those people. That was wrong, so we're going to murder you. But, like, it's cool when we do it."

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qh2150 t1_is0elqt wrote

Like arresting and imprisoning someone who illegally kidnapped and restrained someone? I mean there are a ton of examples of that. F for logic.

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qh2150 t1_irzqucp wrote

“Way more common” than what? In the modern era with DNA the requirement for convictions are extremely high. Not saying it won’t happen, but one thing I definitely recommend is reading some of the current death row inmate court summaries in say Texas to see what we’re really talking about. But yes in some capacity it could happen. However none of this is actually relevant to what was being discussed which was an earlier post’s poorly reasoned argument that life sentence was somehow worse. Which brings another point. Clearly if you believe in prison you have to accept that at some point someone will be innocently held for life. Also morally wrong, and apparently by the earlier post’s weak logic, worse. Legalizing drivers licenses means inevitably a child will get run down by someone late for work or texting while driving. A proper discussion needs more than platitudes.

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erikarew t1_irw959l wrote

This has always been my reasoning for being against the death penalty. No danger of wrongfully killing an innocent person nor forcing the family of a convict to watch them die, and a more lingering punishment for actual deserving criminals.

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Intelligent-Fox-4599 t1_irwg6gn wrote

Except Cali is so liberal it allows these criminals conjugal visits and they have offspring🙄Nothing against Cali but why breed murderers?

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straight_up_tabled t1_irxepvu wrote

Why the downvotes? People are so fucked up

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Intelligent-Fox-4599 t1_irxggmt wrote

I’m not taking it personally. I love California, I just don’t believe violent criminals should procreate.

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Ralfarius t1_irykxue wrote

I kind of get where you're coming from, but what you're suggesting is dangerously close to advocating for eugenics.

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Coupon_Ninja t1_irz8kog wrote

I think it’s more you don’t want to give killers that level of satisfaction. Don’t be cruel, but don’t let them be grandpas. That’s not a right.

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DeylanQuel t1_irzw44e wrote

Their spouses did not commit crimes. Their spouses still have the right to have a family with the people they married. It's not so much about giving perks to the felons as it is not removing rights from someone else.

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Belteshazzar98 t1_irz0047 wrote

So you support eugenics, with the government saying who is and isn't allowed to have kids?

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qh2150 t1_irwg7i7 wrote

Most families advocate for the closure of execution and the majority of death row inmates fight to get their executions stayed.

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erikarew t1_irwjh8j wrote

"Family members of murder victims share no single, uniform response to the death penalty, but two recent publications illustrate that a growing number of these families are now advocating against capital punishment." (Death Penalty Info.org)

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qh2150 t1_irxaiad wrote

Right but “a growing proportion” is not a majority or even implicitly a large amount, which points to the fallacy there. Even just nationwide 65% of people (Pew) favor the death penalty and in the vast majority of death row cases the families continue to advocate for the penalty while convicts fight against it. Tells you all you need to know. Look at the casework.

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_forum_mod t1_irz1two wrote

I've always agreed with that. Having to suffer in a cage for the rest of your life seems much worse than being taken out early.

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theghostofgotti t1_irxp58y wrote

Ever done time? I guarantee every single one of those pieces of shit had TV's in their cells, warm food in their stomachs every night and never had to worry about paying bills or figuring out how they were getting to work when the car wouldn't start. Death sentences are worse (i.e. Death Row). Much worse, and exactly what those cowardly fucks deserved.

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welloiledmachine94 t1_irws9ln wrote

I never understand why people say this. Many criminals actually enjoy prison life, living scot-free. They certainly would take it over death.

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lateralus9679 t1_irwrnj4 wrote

But it costs far less on taxpayers to just end the lives of those who commit heinous crimes vs stringing them along in the beyond shit show of a prison system the US has.

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xxwetdogxx t1_irwslrr wrote

It's the opposite, death penalty is more expensive. More lawyers, more appeals, etc.

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Mythecity t1_irxemi6 wrote

I agree. I’m sure it’s expensive, but it doesn’t have to be and it shouldn’t be.

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Competitive_Effort13 t1_itiit4t wrote

How can people be so confidently wrong about shit?

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lateralus9679 t1_itij72n wrote

Explain to me how keeping prisoners alive for 20-50 years feeding and clothing them VS just sending them to the chair like they deserve is somehow less expensive? I'll wait.....

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The_Sanch1128 t1_irxe8m6 wrote

They were all sentenced to death, but in 1972 the California Supreme Court ruled the state's death sentence statutes to be unconstitutional, and all of the state's death sentences were commuted to life imprisonment.

When the state legislature wrote a new death sentence bill a few years later and the governor signed it, there was no retroactive provision in it, so their sentences remained at life imprisonment.

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