Submitted by 305FUN t3_z18ovh in OldSchoolCool
newX7 t1_ixbskdx wrote
Reply to comment by CAJ_2277 in Actor/footballer Vinnie Jones with opposing player Paul Gascoigne during a match. 1988 by 305FUN
Because if the same action was done to a woman, you would be screaming sexual assault at the top of your longs. But apparently you’re one of those people that doesn’t believe that men can be victims of sexual assault.
CAJ_2277 t1_ixbt7ck wrote
I feel like you’re an MRA type looking for an internet fight. Your shrillness isn’t helping you.
> Because if the same action was done to a woman, you would be screaming sexual assault….
That’s literally an ‘And if your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle’ moment.
newX7 t1_ixby816 wrote
And I feel like you’re one of those “men can’t be raped” guys. You’re attitude also isn’t helping.
And the moment you described doesn’t make it any less true.
TaischiCFM t1_ixd3sga wrote
Is kicking a man in the groin sexual assault in your world?
newX7 t1_ixdk91u wrote
That’s actually a good point. Don’t know, depends on the intent.
mronion82 t1_ixe27yg wrote
Why? Because if you go by that logic Vinnie's ball squeeze isn't sexual assault as it wasn't done with sexual intent.
newX7 t1_ixe43p1 wrote
Counterpoint: If a guy shoves his hands into a girls genitals, as long as there isn’t sexual intent, it isn’t sexual assault?
mronion82 t1_ixe5249 wrote
You brought intent into it.
You're not comparing like things. I'm a woman. If I were playing in a football match and another woman grabbed or twisted my vulva or breasts I would assume it was an aggressive move designed to put me off my game.
newX7 t1_ixe5nhm wrote
Ok, if the intent was specifically aimed at a sexual organ or genital, or there was sexual intent in the mind of the perpetrator, then yeah, I would consider it sexual assault.
And if you were in that situation, I would also consider it sexual also. The two are not mutually exclusive.
mronion82 t1_ixe6dxx wrote
Does genital contact automatically make an assault sexual then?
newX7 t1_ixe6kp1 wrote
If you were aiming there purposely when assaulting someone, yeah.
mronion82 t1_ixe84j5 wrote
Why?
newX7 t1_ixfa8pu wrote
Because you delibaretely aimed to attack someone at their sexual organ.
mronion82 t1_ixfc2c6 wrote
So then how do we differentiate legally between that and what we call sexual assault now?
newX7 t1_ixff6e0 wrote
Maybe don’t intentionally aim at people’s sexual genitals unless it’s in defense.
mronion82 t1_ixfh8lu wrote
You don't see sny difference between hitting someone in the bollocks in anger and getting a sexual kick from it? They're two very different motives and I think it makes sense to treat them separately.
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