WTF riot was it where they had armored vehicles with machine guns?

Putting down riots with armored vehicles and machine guns ain’t cool, brother.

not saying i agree with what it is just stating it happened and he was there my bad.

by chance a more history based reddit page would be better to post to my apologies

>"Time to show minorities who's boss again"

-these guys

I thought it was Vietnam when I first saw this. What happened that required the military and machine guns to step in

Yes it is Edit: I was joking Also edit: yeah that was a bad joke

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honestly couldn’t say. he was recalling to me the story of this day and someone was on a rooftop of a parking garage shooting at him in he said Jersey. Although his discharge from the military was a bayonet to the forehead in Vietnam so he could be mixing it up

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Don’t apologize, understanding and accepting reality is old school cool.

Doesn’t look like much going on. What is a Quiet Riot? 🥁ba-dum-dum🥁

Not 1970, but the 1967 Newark race riots had the guard called out eventually. I can’t find anything about them in 1970, most of the big social upheavals were winding down by then.

that may be it then to be honest he didn’t have exact year either he’s always been a little hazy. but after his departure from vietnam due to bayonet he healed and got sent back to the guard so sounds right.

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When I went through U. S. Army basic training, we had 2 weeks of riot control training tacked on because we were eventually being assigned to the NJ National Guard in 1970.

This is not the fond memory you think it is.

And after the footage of Tyre no less...

no not a fond memory for anybody. my grandfather hated every minute of his military experience but it’s history nonetheless.

Not 1970 but go off.

Not the flex you think it is

Ah yes, the US Army being used against its own people. So cool! /s

Would he have shot citizens if ordered. Always wonder about the mentality of that .,cause seriously shooting your citizens is so fucked. I would just tell them go fuck yourselves and drop the weapon. Police love to hurt people though .you can see how they wanna do it

Government oppression isn’t cool

He is his own grandpa?!??? r/unexpectedfuturama

I can only assume race riots given the year…

Not very cool

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Yes, it is if they are hippies

fuck off you heartless >!bastard!<! that's not funny!

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The need of the many

Burning and looting is even less cool, or should the civilians just fend for themselves

Not your fault and not your grandfather's fault, but our government's use of weaponry against its own people was horrifying.

After Vietnam it was understood that if a commanding officer gives you orders that go against the values of your country, it is your civic duty to disobey the orders.

Come on feel the noise

How did gramps pick up a spot in the National Guard?

The revelations about Cambodia were in 70. The Kent State massacre was May 4 1970. Shit was still going down.

This isn’t cool. This is sad and dystopian

But it’s not “cool” history.

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I don’t think he’s flexing the military actions that his grandfather took and their social implications, but rather the fact that his family member took a picture in a cool APC more than 50 years ago. OP clarified this multiple times

If rioters are endangering the lives of others, put them down with whatever you have at hand. Use a freakin cannon for all I care.

Had a friend in the guards during the Newark riots. He had some stories to tell.

That’s not very cash money of him.

Yeah I was thinking more the Detroit/Boston riots

Yeah, but anti-war protests were not typically put down by the national guard. Plenty of riot gear police, but they're not shooting middle class white kids for protesting the war. Kent State was very tragic of course, but it wasn't national guard brought out to put down a riot. It was national guard protecting a building or something, and a tragic overreaction when one or more of the probably young poorly trained guardsman felt too threatened and fired when they shouldn't have .

But I think most people aren't that aware of some of the riots of the late '60s. They were a complete breakdown of order and the national guard including guns were brought out to try to restore order.

I make no judgment on the whole thing. Just a historic observation.

I can certainly see that perspective. But I think it's a legitimate counter argument to say that they were being used to maintain order which is a legitimate use of the state police powers. We're not talking some Vietnam protest that the powers that be want to bust up. We're talking chaos in the streets and if I live there, your damn right I would want the government to restore order. I guess cool is somewhat relative, but I don't see any shame in someone's dad serving his country and helping to bring law & order and posing with a big ass gun while doing it.

I would say the writing was horrified and the need to bring in forces to bring it down was also terrible but they were the good guys. I don't see why that can't be cool. I wouldn't want my neighborhood to be destroyed by rioters and looters

That's a rather erroneous statement. There's no specific values of your country. It is either a lawful order or not a lawful order. Granted, it's sometimes hard to tell, but there is very specific military training on what is and is not a lawful order based on a lot of different factors figured out by very smart and knowledgeable lawyers and experts.

Within reason of course. But I agree. This isn't shooting peaceful protesters at a Vietnam or civil rights march. This was to quell the disorder. And it's worth noting that just because the vehicle has a machine gun on it doesn't mean they were indiscriminately mowing down crowds. I have no way of knowing but it may well be the machine gun wasn't even in commission. It would take a pretty significant top-down order to open fire with a machine gun I'm quite sure

It's what I don't understand. Police and armies all over the world do this. If you know Its wrong then why go along with it. Just walk away. I mean who or what are you going against your own people for? Some company ,politics or worse religion. Go fight your own fucking battles .leave us alone

Very much his grandfather's fault - unless somebody forced him to aim a machine gun at people.

Some individuals feel it's safe to take a stand and refuse direct orders, and others do not. I have never been in that soldier's shoes and I'm guessing you haven't, either, so I can't know what consequences he would've faced.

If you're a member of US military forces and your commanding officer tells you to do something, you can definitely catch a court martial. Folks have been shot by firing squad for dereliction of duty, let alone having the livelihood that's supporting their family taken away.

"I vas just following orders" wasn't valid for full-on N_zi atrocities, but there's a spectrum.