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throwawayamd14 t1_ja4eyi6 wrote

Probably a small fine to him, needs criminal penalties

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xAsroilu t1_ja4n5g0 wrote

You'd be surprised at the extent of the child labor violations in Mcdonald's franchises. The treatment there towards the adults is even bad because of the corporate pressure. From what I understand, once you break past the mindless associate drone, you have the corporate hand up your ass constantly.

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SpicyWokHei t1_ja4xiz3 wrote

We are literally going backwards day by day.

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honeyusagi6 t1_ja4yey2 wrote

An article about a similar occurrence, in another state, was shared a few weeks back on Facebook. I was stunned by the number of comments in defence of the owner. How dare he be punished for giving children the ability to work and earn money! Mind blowing.

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PPQue6 t1_ja54sbz wrote

Replying to xAsroilu (#2,033,823)

>You'd be surprised at the extent of the child labor violations in Mcdonald's franchises.

Mmmm no not really. In fact I'm surprised that we don't hear about them more.

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beaurific t1_ja5sfp9 wrote

Exploiting children, how quaint.

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RaceSignificant1794 t1_ja62sx6 wrote

Scum business owner of scum products.

It's all to poison and exploit for his profits.

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Au2288 t1_ja688n1 wrote

McDonald’s? That’s paltry to any Italian owned, “mom & pop” pizzeria.

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IDGAF_Its_My_Opinion t1_ja6cm4z wrote

Replying to honeyusagi6 (#2,035,948)

"illegally allowed 154 minors, ages 14 and 15, to work at times not permitted by child labor laws"

Allowed them to work, didn't force them. Kids probably wanted the extra money. Maybe covered shifts for others thinking they were doing the right thing.

I have a 12 year old and would be thrilled if she wanted a job at 14 or 15. I would be even more proud of her if she said she wanted to work early or stay late because she had the opportunity.

7PM on a school night is a joke. No 14 or 15 year old is going to bed at 8 PM. Ah, yes homework... Another part of growing up. You have to manage your time. If you can't stay late, don't ask to stay late. If grades are an issue then that's my job to put my foot down and say no.

18 hours a week is a joke, done w/ school around 3, could work 3-4 hours a night 3-4 days a week, but couldn't pickup a weekend shift b/c they are out of time.

I agree w/ the fryer issue. Wouldn't want a 14/15 kid or even a 16/17 on a fryer.

Let the down votes begin. I'll assume it's b/c you want your fries made by a 14 year old.

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libananahammock t1_ja6fiav wrote

Replying to IDGAF_Its_My_Opinion (#2,045,728)

Fuck homework and extra help after school or band or soccer or robotics club or volunteer work or just relaxing because 8 fucking hours of school is a fucking full time job. Don’t you come home and relax a bit after work?

They have their whole lives to work and be adults and have a shitty time. Let them be kids. Let them play, let them rest, let them join clubs and sports to try and find what interests them.

That’s not saying that NO minor under 18 shouldn’t have a job but there are laws for a reason and that reason is that they get exploited by the owners that don’t give a fuck about them and that decades of research and history has shown us what is and isn’t healthy and safe for kids. But you know better compared to all of that I’m guessing, right?

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IDGAF_Its_My_Opinion t1_ja6joj2 wrote

Replying to libananahammock (#2,046,307)

Great point. My daughter does both band & chorus. Next time a concert runs past 7 PM on a school night I'll make sure they shut that shit down right away.

What else could we put an end to...

No more 6 AM swim team practice before school, either. No more swim meets. Practiced an hour before school each day and 2 hours after. No sitting in the gym all day Saturday at the swim meet. You're out of time.

Let's not even talk about hockey games & practices. They can be at 5 AM or 10 PM. Then all the weekend games & tournaments.

Friday night football game two hours from home on the bus? Nope... Already practiced 3 hours a day. By the time you get there, you're off the clock. Gotta forfeit at half time to get home before the 18 hour per week clock runs out. This would include band & cheerleaders too.

Again, my point is that if a kid wants to do something productive, let them do it. Sports, band, book club, work, whatever. You say let them join clubs or sports and figure out what they enjoy. Maybe they enjoy working, or is that not a thing anymore?

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[deleted] t1_ja6nap0 wrote

Replying to RaceSignificant1794 (#2,043,870)

I’ve never met the guy but his products are fucking great bro. Not real sure if your vegetarian or what, but obviously you haven’t had a double cheeseburger, with them mini little onions, in some time.

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Dain42 t1_ja6seb3 wrote

Replying to IDGAF_Its_My_Opinion (#2,047,127)

Nobody enjoys working, especially not the sort of service industry jobs that minors can get.

The clue is that they have to pay you to be there.

Also, your comment is basically just a Gish Gallop. Specious, bad faith arguments just whizzing by like telephone poles along the highway.

But, actually, just to pick the strangest one you included: hell no, 6am swim practices shouldn't be allowed!! Kids would have to be getting up around 5a to get there and be ready, so to get adequate sleep, they'd need to be getting to bed around 8 or 9 the previous night, something I guarantee highschool-aged kids are not going to be doing.

Extracurriculars shouldn't actively detract from academics. That's the same reason we regulate working conditions for minors the way we do, actually: so we don't detract from their education.

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hahahoudini t1_ja72uq5 wrote

Replying to IDGAF_Its_My_Opinion (#2,047,127)

You make some damn fine points! But why stop there? Just keep on going with that kickass logic! Let's bring the 4 year old chimney sweeps! 2 year olds hosing down entrails at the slaughterhouses! They'll think it's fun if they don't know any better! I say let em be *productive, * instead of wastin all that time wit useless schoolin! Yee haw!

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86_emeralds t1_ja75i8x wrote

If I didn’t work from age 15 on outside of these hours I wouldn’t have been able to buy my own crappy car, pay for the gas and insurance, buy myself clothes and have money to go out and do things with friends, wouldn’t have been able to save up for my Macbook for college, or buy all of my textbooks.

Not everyone has the privilege to have parents that support them and help pay their way. I worked hard at a diner making $5 an hour plus tips and still found the time to take my AP classes and squeeze in some time with friends too. That was back in 2008-2012; the recession hit my family hard and if I wanted some of the things other kids’ parents were able to help them with I had to go out there and earn them myself.

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worstatit t1_ja78hj9 wrote

There are well thought out reasons for child labor laws. Ultimately, it's too easy for employers to mistreat these kids. I have every understanding for the occasional accidental violation, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. For every high achiever that saves for, and goes to, college, there's five kids that skip school and don't graduate because they think they can make a career of it. The simple fact is, no adult will put up with the crap at those jobs for what they pay.

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TheDarkFiddler t1_ja7a2xc wrote

As a teacher this isn't a surprise to me at all. It's not just these McDonald's locations... you should hear how often I have to explain to my students their labor rights.

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WookieeSteakIsChewie t1_ja7qrob wrote

Replying to Dain42 (#2,048,793)

>Nobody enjoys working

Ah, there's the sticky wicket. I fucking LOVED working when I was 15. Making money, hanging out with friends, money for dates, buying stuff that I wanted because I had money. It was fucking awesome.

I still do, actually, but I'm fortunate enough to have a good work ethic that got me a great job.

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hahahoudini t1_ja89zie wrote

Replying to WookieeSteakIsChewie (#2,055,534)

The whole point of my post was to illustrate that bc something happened in the past doesn't make it something to aspire or even acquiesce to.

If you're just a lonely stranger on the internet trying to have a discussion about the way things were, then yes, I started working at 15, worked with most of my free time, to pay for things like food and gas money, and I lost pace to my classmates who had more study time. Their parents cared more and understood how capitalism works. My high school jobs as janitor and worker in a book shipping factory only prevented me from getting into better colleges. How about we try to do better for kids today than yesterday instead of trying to brag about how hard we had it to justify backsliding into the bad ideas that flourished during the industrial revolution? Also, exploiting child labor reduces pressure to increase wages for adult workers (really just even keep pace with inflation), which is a whole nother basket of things that are fucked up. Corporations can afford to pay workers more. The adults working jobs should be paid enough that families don't need multiple incomes just to get by.

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whomp1970 t1_ja9vbe4 wrote

Replying to IDGAF_Its_My_Opinion (#2,045,728)

If it makes you feel any better, I'm kind of with you.

My kid wasn't interested in sports, or choir, or any school clubs or activities. She came home, did her homework, and played Nintendo until bedtime.

But put the idea of actually earning money in front of her, and I wouldn't be surprised if she wanted to put in a few hours each afternoon at the register at McDonald's.

If her schoolwork suffered, yep, I'd pull her out of the job. Same as if her sleep suffered, or her mood suffered.

But I don't have a problem with a 15 year old kid working the register (not the fryer or the grill) or washing dishes at McDonald's. Especially if it's her desire to do that, and especially if the parents are keeping an eye on the situation.

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ConcreteThinking t1_jacekes wrote

Replying to glberns (#2,043,724)

If his franchises do about average sales he needs to do $1,840,000 in sales to cover the fine. From FranchiseTheory.com.

"McDonald’s Average Gross Revenue Per Franchise Location

McDonald’s franchises in Traditional Locations have produced on average $3,487,000 of Gross Sales in 2021 per location. The highest gross earning location has made $13,625,000, and the lowest has had sales of $680,000."

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