Saw this earlier. Batshit crazy.

Religious fanatics...

Damn, sounds like maybe she got into some conspiracy shit and dragged her parents down with her into some spiral of paranoid thinking. They thought some evil forces were coming for them? Maybe there’s some Q connection.

I haven't read it anywhere, so I'm not sure where he got this info, but a co-worker who lives in the general area said he heard the daughter was experiencing some major health-issue and discussed suicide with her parents who didn't want to go on without her.

Sounds like it was mutual all around between the three of them. But there’s an innocent family dog caught up in this that the article mentions but doesn’t reconcile!

Don’t devout christians believe that suicide sends you to hell? I would imagine that would be something they’d want to avoid, no?

I was wondering what the evil was that got ahold of her that was mentioned. Honestly my first thought was that she was gay but this makes a lot more sense.

Edit: too late bc I've been down voted to hell but I didn't say I agreed. I'm gay. But religious fanatics aren't often known to be accepting.

I read in another article that the dog survived. I guess they drugged him so he wouldn’t bite the first responders, but not to kill him, and left instructions on his case. I think he was found to be okay. Wish they all could have gotten help. This is just really sad.

Naw they usually pick and choose which sins to follow.

After reading about them, it sounds like the parents were fucked up and dragged her into their crazy religion/politics.

How awful. The tragic death. The horrendous comments left on Reddit.

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i still fail to understand why people on this sub reddit are the most bigoted spiteful people towards christians/Catholics. It was a tragic event for a family to have to take their own life’s and you use it to make the same dumb observational criticisms that any halfwit with a brain can understand without having to be said

I like your username.

You are an evil in this world. Why do you spew so much hate and cause so much suffering on others? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Religion is a cancer on our society

I think it’s probably because of all the pain suffering and sexual assaulting that the church has caused.

How did you twist the words around in your head to think that comment is at all bigoted? It's 100% true. Christians don't follow all the rules in the bible, but rather choose which ones are the important ones based on what they're told is important. It is a fact. How is that a spiteful take?

If they were Catholic that would be in the article. Evangelical Christian or some form of anabaptist dominates this area.

Remember if you're having mental anguish problems like it sounds they were, the suicide hotline is now available calling or texting 988.

3 People were down on life and tragically killed themselves this is not the time to make dumb religious criticism its untasteful, sorry if i seem crazy i just deep sympathy for people who lost their lives

Nothing in their religion says go kill yourself. If anything blame the homeschooling.

Sounds like they probably would have done it sooner if they knew you.

Can evil recognize itself?

Because they packed our supreme Court and get off on pain and suffering on people who are different from them.

Get the hell out of here with this victimization crap. The church has been victimizing the world for hundreds of years. Abusing your kids, taking your money, taking your land, stealing your tax dollars.

They reversed the 60 year abortion ruling. Those assholes want to bring us back into the dark ages where we clang stones together, pray our guilt away, and only read one book. Fuck Christianity and how it has mixed with politics and is ruining America.

And they got rubes like you who defend them to the bitter end.

its not victimization if the people in question had to end their lives, do we not show sympathy towards tragic events in our community, the people in question where living breathing humans like me or you and i don’t think the comments being made on this post would make the family feel any better if they were still with us, i didn’t choose to bring religion into this and i am not defending the church, i don’t even go to fucking church. what i am defending is respect for the dead especially people who did no harm to anyone else.

I sent a message to the mods addressing this issue. it’s disheartening to see certain comments on this post be made about a struggling family in our community.

Here is the local news article with the final news release.

https://www.wgal.com/article/final-news-release-about-deaths-of-york-county-family-members-who-took-their-own-lives/42761798?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot

I’m not sure I think that is more old school Catholic doctrine. These fundamentalists make it up as they go.

It’s absolutely awful. Maybe some people are making light but I’m certainly not. Details in the article were scarce but come on their fundamentalist almost definitely played at least a part. I have extended family or are hardcore Catholic this would be horrific to them.

so you understand its a tragic event, but you weigh protesting fundamentalist Christians more than just having the decency to make a decent comment or outright here me out not even make a comment at all in respect to a tragic post?

Because it's not your bubble/safe space

everyone has different priorities i guess

Honestly as much as I dislike them these Supreme Court people are highly educated and extremely smart. They don’t do anything without at least the tacit approval from their donors. Normal people like you and me think “well the 1% already owns half the country that should be enough.” No, it isn’t enough. They want the other half or at least as much of that other half as possible. Their ideal society is something close to serfdom. So yeah you are correct they want to roll it back but religion is just a cudgel not necessarily the goal. Sorry rant over.

nice deflection though I’m pretty sure thats the same deflection all those alt right guys like crowder use when being questioned on making untasteful comments

On every society. Bronze Age folk tales rule our fucking lives.

Imagine trusting people who’d only just recently learned to read, over peer-reviewed science.

Like, from an evolutionary stand point, it’s like listening to the 5 year old version of us.

Touch grass. We're coming for your gas/s

Q Anon claims 3 more.

And Trump Q fanatics

I'm from York County and I'm still not 100 percent on exactly where this was, but stuff like this really doesn't happen around here so I'm sure it'll be big news in about a week or so.

It's really sad

For me, it's decades of being told that I'm going to hell by people who don't understand basic science and who look the other way when their religious leaders rape children. I grew up in a Baptist church full of people who claimed to follow the teachings of Christ while being small-minded and mean to people who look different than them.

I didn't have that same experience in any other group I participated in later in life. There are dumb, spiteful people everywhere but Christian churches seem to aggregate them.

There is also the fact that they believe in what's obviously a fairytale. Being a devout Christian says a lot about the state of your mind and whether or not you live in reality.

It's not dumb, it's valid criticism. More people have died in the game of some god than anything else except diseases. It's always the time to criticize religion.

What if they believe a recently deceased loved one is in hell and they all need to go there to break them out?

I guess we all have different priorities.

The daughter's issues were part of the story early. She was allegedly experiencing auditory hallucinations. And some of her social media posts (since locked/deleted) were off the wall with the "Jesus take the wheel" stuff.

Murder and suicide are both mortal sins.

Event occurred like... 2 weeks ago. Spring Grove, I think.

It's about a mile off Rt. 74 in Shiloh. If you go behind the building of the beer distributor (Brewskees of Shiloh) about a mile it's there.

This is sad. Mainly because despite Trump losing second term, he has made major and lasting changes in favor of his constituents. I don't agree with them, but f why end things this way. Young girl had a whole life to live.

Worse. Trump worshiping religious fanatics.

>”They were just so hell-bent on Trump winning, like this could be in the end if he doesn’t,” Stabley said, referring to an instance when he saw them just before the 2020 election. He said he stopped seeing the two after that.

I don’t have any empathy left for these people.

E: Spamming my inbox with messages from the suicide help bot is a good example of why people like me can’t be bothered to give a shit what happens to you stupids.

I live right by there! I'm by royal farms and McDonald's on 74

It was in that development back there?

Not sure which development but yes very close to you. Around 2000 Loman Drive which looks to be part of an older development

That's less than 5 minutes away from me. It's crazy when stuff happens in your home town like that

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I’m saying it is a horrible tragedy that saddens me while acknowledging religion could have played a part. Both of those things can be true at the same time.

Many games to bowl

Yeah I'm in Dillsburg on Old York Rd (the 74 bypass if you go straight through Rossville from your house) and for some reason when I read York County I expected this to be in one of the weird brethren areas like 7 Valleys or Delta

And then when I read lot of Trump signs in West Manchester township I thought of that house on 74 near you. You know the one.

They were Trump-loving “conservatives” with a yard full of raggedy political and anti abortion signs - they make society worse for all of us. Made up religions that worship fascist politicians don’t deserve my pity.

Fuck ‘em.

Why do you keep saying these people "had" to end their lives? It's creepy. They chose to end their lives and from what I read the daughter was delusional. She reported hearing voices that were not subsiding.

There are lots of terrible people that call themselves Christians as there are terrible people in every group. It doesn't mean anyone is saying that you're a bad person.

If I weren't such a nice person I'd tell you to get off your cross.

Ooh is that a movie? If not, it should be.

They could have gone to therapy.

Good thing 2 of the 3 put on hearing protection before getting shot in the head. The long term effects of those loud noises can be really damaging.

I know right! I never expected it to be west Manchester township

I understood what you meant before the edit. If others understood you wouldn't have all the down votes.

They're off to the pinsetter in the sky

That’s why he lost re-election; he only ever did ‘things’ for his voters. Presidents are meant to provide and care for the country. That’s why he’s a failure.

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They were Trump loving traitors? Eh. Still terrible just less so knowing that.

Read the articles. They were conservative Christians who homeschooled.

I concur. But the fact he got elected in the first place says a lot about this country. It took opposition coming out in record numbers to vote him out.

Well, since they believe most of my friends should be dead for being themselves, neither do I.

it's more than religion IMO ... it's celebrity / institution worship

we are practically programmed from a very early age to accept XYZ person/organization/institution as the final say, as the ultimate, unchanging truth.

this ties into government and corporations too - in the same way people seem to think the US government can do no wrong there are people who think elon musk can do no wrong...

the worst of it is the central banks - without any doubts, we all trust that money will just "work" and isn't inherently corrupted or corruptible despite central bankers being just another tiny series of greedy, manipulatable, biased, coercible [etc] human beings... an intuition as fallible as any.

surely the best solution would be a system of rules, without rulers... something rooted in nature that maintains a verifiably ledger/record of truth for everyone and anyone- based on energy itself perhaps... and at least with regard to money, this actually exists now- don't overlook bitcoin, it's perhaps the most important discovery our species has ever made in the effort to stop worshiping and trusting, god-kings and centralized institutions and instead rely on a properly decentralized, for-the-people-by-the-people monetary network.

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They didn’t have to take their own lives. They made that choice.

I can't help but note the irony. The book Bowling Alone is a sociological study of American culture that documents how much more isolated people have become since the 50s, a trend that new tech has accelerated and resulted in poor mental health outcomes. But these people actually bowled. With each other. With other people. Yet they committed this terrible act of ultimate self-harm. Sadly ironic.

Damn, I remember when protestants just shamed their kids for masturbating. Are the whites alright?

literally any experience, relationship, tv show, or any stimulation to their brain could have influenced their decision chalking it to religion is just strange

Bitcoin fixes this.

Some of these comments are sad.

I really don’t want to argue. Sure, life experience and mental illness could have certainly played a part. The article says people who knew them said the dad had almost a cult like reverence for Donald Trump and thought the world was going to end because he lost. I’ll go ahead and blame conservative media and ideology too. If you think democrats are lizard people and are doing child sacrifice in the basement of a pizza shop then you lost touch with reality and need help.

The number of "I don't have any sympathy for these people" type of comments in this thread is honestly pretty disturbing.

You must know them very well. Or are making assumptions based on some comments here and will defend them with "well because of this, they must be like that".

This is r/Pennsylvania though, so I'll probably be downvoted, but this is a tragic situation. And the comments here show why these people will never reach out for help and ultimately never change their beliefs.

It also seems that people here have forgotten that they had family and friends who will be effected by this.

Edit: Would just like to point out I accurately called out the downvotes lol. You people are so very predictable.

I'm with you on this one, and people here are deflecting from this point by talking about the Republican party in general and other mostly unrelated stuff.

If you go against the hive mind at all here, you are bombarded with downvotes and everyone gangs up against you unfortunately. Really encourages healthy debate and definitely doesn't create an echo chamber at all.

You’re not wrong. I’ve ‘lost’ friends and family members to the cult. It’s maddening

Imagine being the police that saw that. Bet that’s hard to deal with.

But it's not a cult

West Manchester. Close to Carlisle Rd.

What is the evidence that the suicide pact was based on politics? I saw the girl’s video postings suggesting she was severely schizophrenic, saying she was abdicating the throne of England and she was the antichrist. I was thinking she is seriously mentally ill and the parents felt they couldn’t seek help due to their religion.

Overly devout Christian, pro trump, pro-life. So you could say there were plenty of signs of mental issues before this happened.....

This whole situation is so very sad.

you never had empathy to begin with. Empathy for you is only granted to those in 100% agreement with you

making up Boogeymen?

internet induced mental illness. Very common.

they're mentally ill and love to see their perceived enemies die

it's interesting seeing all the "love lives here" yard sign types expressing their joy over this family's death.

They were all Q-anon lunatics that withdrew from society to let their various mental problems metastasize.

I don’t think they thought it was about politics, but I can draw a straight line for you from Trumpy-Qanon-Evangelical-homeschooled beliefs (and conspiratorial media consumption) that leads right to delusions, depression, isolation, paranoia and thinking that murder/suicide is the best course of action.

Your response truly saddens me. I’ve been out and dealing with anti-LGBT hate for 30 years, but I still wouldn’t wish this upon anyone and I’m able to have empathy and compassion for their plight. These people- hateful as they may seem-were, if anything, victims of the lies spread by right-wing propaganda and the orange buffoon. Unfortunately there are a lot more people who have been poisoned by this rhetoric, so I fear that things are really going backwards for us at this point. Time to be prepared.

Hey everyone! Someone from The “cOvId iZ a HoX” and “ThE eLeCkShUn WuZ StOLd!!!” crowd has something to tell me about making up boogeymen!

Bless your ignorant heart, fam!

Literally never said that. I hope you are able to regain your humanity someday, but you don't even seem to understand how far gone you are. I suggest avoiding the internet and seeing a psychiatrist.

>grew up in a Baptist church full of people who claimed to follow the teachings of Christ while being small-minded and mean to people who look different than them.

I was around 4 or 5 years old when we started attending a Southern Baptist church in our area (down in MD). We went for a few months then left to attend a Methodist church. Years later I found out we didn't stay because the sermons started going on about how Jews are bad. My grandmother was Jewish

I remember being scared of the preacher because he shouted a lot during sermons, plus, he was already mic'd up so it was worse to my little ears

I've had pleasant experiences with Christians but when you grow up knowing for a fact that your neighbors are hiding their hate behind a smile that will disappear the second they find out you're different it leaves a bit of a lasting impression, you might say.

Enjoy feeling righteous in your hatred. You're certainly in the right place for that.

I have humanity. I just think people who hate the ones I love don’t deserve it.

Nailed it. First fat orange cheetoe messiah is gone. Then The Turk and the Insurrectionist from Jersey lose. How much can evangelical home schoolers take?

"these people will never reach out for help and ultimately never change their beliefs". Not sure what you'd like to see here.

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justify your hatred however you want

Oh, like the Ultra-Christian, Ultra-MAGA cultists don’t hate LGBT folks, anyone who’s not Christian, and aren’t corrupted by religious propaganda. If they spread their hate, it’s cool, but I’m suddenly the hateful one if I call them out on it. I’m justifiably criticizing their harmful beliefs.

I would like to not see people pushed into becoming radicalized as a start. There were a series of failures and coincidences that lead to this family dying. I highly doubt they got to the point they were over night.

Also, because of their political beliefs/religious choices people are shitting all over them without actually knowing them. People here got a snippet into their life from a news article, and a neighbors commentary and suddenly know everything about them.

There's no hate like Christian love.

You are claiming this now dead family wants you and your friends dead based on absolutely nothing. You're making up boogeyman because deep down you know your hatred is worrisome. I don't see any right wing people in here spreading hatred. I see you and people who think identically to you all espousing hatred while feeling superior for it.

it's very common to point out someone else's flaws to justify your own

In all honesty...it probably strengthened the species as a whole.

Maybe if the vast majority of them weren’t like that, I wouldn’t have to make that assumption. Maybe they should just stop spreading their hatred and drop the superiority complex. 🤷‍♂️

If these people were Trump fanatics after EVERYTHING he has done prior to even running politically...they were already radicalized. If you want to start pointing fingers at HOW they became radicalized...look up the people actively voting to defund education and health care in this country. That's where you can start the blame then. Me personally? I choose to blame the adults who chose to not think like rational adults, but defunding education can assist in making that a pipe dream.

Defunding education is working as intended for one side.

lmao now its "the vast majority." I knew you were far gone but it's worse than I thought. I can no longer discuss with you as you're clearly deep in delusion.

But the religious fanatics who killed themselves weren’t far gone?

Yes, they were too. Congratulations, you are on the same tier as religious fanatics who killed themselves. Please follow my advice and avoid the internet and start seeing a psychiatrist before you follow in their footsteps.

Like a certain president who called everyone else corrupt and incompetent while making corrupt and incompetent decisions every day during his failed presidency.

Ah yes, because an argument with a stranger on the internet is going to drive me to that.

Yeah, and here is my problem with pretty much everything being said about this family. It all starts with If because no one actually knows them.

I am not debating politics right now, I am saying it's tragic not only because a family died, but for their surviving family members and friends. No one here actually knows them, and the speculation about them is just one big circle jerk of people agreeing with each other.

Also, I never mentioned when they may have been radicalized, just that it may have occured, and if this sub is at all representative of PA, I could see why they became reclusive. The hate and vitriol towards absolutely anyone who isn't extreme left and also apparently atheist now is absolutely disgusting.

lmao watching you cycle through your programming is so amusing.

Whatever. Good day, sir.

I was just wondering where you had read they were into Q-anon because I hadn’t seen that.

I can definitely see the connection too; also seems like it could go the other way—if you are biologically prone to paranoid delusions you could take that stuff and run with it.

No, it's the ideology of victimhood yet somehow also superiority and hatred that will be your down fall. You enjoy feeling this anger and hatred. That is unhealthy.

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the suicide hotline does fuck all to actually help people

Wonder what was the last thing to go through their minds.

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I’m still alive.

To quote Red in Shawshank Redemption “I’d like to think that the last thing that went through (their) head(s) other than (those) bullet(s)…” is how the hell did Trump’s loss get the best of them.

Bipolar and not treated. Watch the video on YouTube. This is what psychosis looks like.

I love that their true blue bleeds through. They’re just so tolerant

Do you have links for her YouTube videos?

Her username is lionessarising on YouTube.

This doesn't have anything to do with religion or politics. Mental illnesses happen. Sad case that 3 people died.

No. Mentally Ill. Watch the video.

Sorry, but I am going to call bullshit on this. It has everything to do with both politics and religion, but mostly politics. This girl was raised by religious homeschooling and the family made a suicide pact to end their lives if Trump lost. Nuance is imperative and your dismissal of it is harmful and frankly dishonest.

Her family is one thing, but I don't think she was in a position to be holding any "genuine, authentic" beliefs when she was clearly in a state of psychosis.

Her youtube videos explain that she was under surveillance by the Trump admin and that he was taking part of violating her human rights.

So, her beliefs seem to be all over the map.

Almost as if she was mentally ill or something...

No

Agreed, and when they talk about going together to meet their maker, there’s absolutely some rapture play going on. Religious grooming.

Homeschooled and religious...jackpot.

I'm glad you're still alive.

For what it’s worth, that was almost 7 years ago after losing my brother to cancer. My life is mostly wonderful now. Therapy and medication have been incredibly helpful.

>the family made a suicide pact to end their lives if Trump lost

zero evidence of that.

Watch the videos on YouTube. There is no rational thought. It's a collection of gibberish strung together with trump god and the queen in the same sentence.

I might have agreed with you before watching. Or if she was making political arguments in her videos but they are just sad nonsense.

If you've watched rational family members descend into madness you know what I'm talking about.

She coulda been atheist or Jewish or liberal or conservative. She was exposed to some things but if it wasn't trump it would be aliens or the Mayans or the Illuminati.

Dude?! The entire family decided to kill themselves. Were they all bipolar? You're bending over backward and kissing your ass to avoid the obvious.

I'm not blaming the queen of England either and she rants about that too. It's very possible they were all bipolar bc it runs in families.

>queen of England

Did you mean the former Queen of the United Kingdom, the former Queen of Canada, the former Queen of Australia, etc?

The last Queen of England was Queen Anne who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England.

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Wasn't Queen Elizabeth II still also the Queen of England?

This was only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she was the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist.

Is this bot monarchist?

No, just pedantic.

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I grew up 15m away from this area. York County is Qanon rapture central.

I grew up 15 minutes from here. Red Lion, PA (another nearby York suburb) went down the Trump hole to the extreme. This entire story and their beliefs are completely unsurprising if you’ve spent any amount of time here.

I’m just a random person on the internet so you don’t have to believe me, but it’s hard not to run into people like this in SoYoCo (or anywhere in YoCo)

Correct

Source: grew up in York County

Conservatives: rah rah freedom of speech I can say what I want

People: this is a sad loss of life but probably due to their crazy fucking beliefs

Conservatives: WTF? MODS? COMPLIANCE OFFICER?

Everyone above me in this comment chain truly needs to touch grass. This story is beyond believable and makes perfect sense if you are from YoCo. You can feel bad and still point out the pervasively negative effects of Qanon and Qanon-lite thinking.

So like George Floyd was in actuality a piece of shit … same concept

bad bot

seeing these downvotes but it really does depend on who you're talking to. i've called & also gotten Fuck All.

yeah, & with the anabaptists that broke off from the amish & mennonites (in my experience being raised at an anabaptist church), there is a lot of competition for "relevancy." i basically saw my church deteriorate into begging for money & pushing dangerous political ideologies. people respond to the provocative.

Supernatural- more than once over multiple seasons.

Cult members have predictable ends.

I've never seen it but now I want to check it out.