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WookieeSteakIsChewie t1_ja305p1 wrote

>They still have to work 35 years

So if someone becomes a teacher at 24 they have to work until they're 59?

Oh no! Anyway.

Maybe the state should get out of the pension business. People who are in it now get it, everyone else gets a 401k like the rest of us.

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WookieeSteakIsChewie t1_ja34415 wrote

>PA has teachers making $29,000/year right now

While I agree teachers deserve a lot more money than they get...

https://www.salary.com/research/salary/posting/entry-level-teacher-salary/pa

If they're only making $29k, they need to find a new school district to work for.

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WookieeSteakIsChewie t1_ja36udd wrote

That's their decision then. I used to work in adolescent mental health and loved helping kids, but it didn't pay the bills. You have to look out for yourself, no one else is going to.

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WookieeSteakIsChewie t1_ja37qhy wrote

>You’re in here arguing in favor of “fuck teachers”

🧃 Here's a straw. Grasp harder.

Saying the state should get out of the pension business and agreeing that teachers should be paid more, while simultaneously pointing out that teachers who are underpaid can move to different districts or jobs (just like everyone else can) isn't "fuck teachers."

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ktxhopem3276 t1_ja3d6el wrote

> Teachers have an unusual role in our society. We collapse without them. They’re vital. If “fuck teachers” wins, we’ll be fucking more than the teachers.

every occupation thinks society will collapse without them. But mainly the teachers and police unions use this argument the most. Society would collapse with firefighters garbage men, grocery store employees, farmers, doctors, plumbers, electricians, mechanics, custodians….the list is endless. Teachers take advantage of the fact that they work directly with children but teachers would be nowhere without all these other workers making their job possible. Teachers get sympathy from caring and more liberal people with this talking point but it also pisses off half the electorate. Pa spends the 11th most on teachers in the country but it just seems worse because most of the ten they spend more are our neighbors like ny nj and Md.

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e30eric t1_ja33fry wrote

I made more than that working in a factory in 2006.

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ScienceWasLove t1_ja3nlj7 wrote

In NY teachers can retire at 25 years w/out penalty, and start a second career in their 40’s.

In PA the revisions essentially cut pensions benefits in half - while maintaining the 35 year requirement. Starting a second career in your 40’s is more reasonable vs 50’s.

They should have changed 35 years to 25 years.

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