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BurghPuppies t1_jc0bp1j wrote

And in the article it details what actions they took. But of course that’s not in the headline.

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Jerryjb63 t1_jc2cu5z wrote

I’m a Democrat. We should have removed this dude from his position. This isn’t about party affiliation. Don’t make it about that. If you thought this guy was innocent, then why make him take all those classes? Not a good look.

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Odd-Comfort-1478 t1_jc02fll wrote

Now begins the fight and insults between political parties...

And the important issue is forgotten amongst the childish behavior.

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SamuelLCompassion t1_jc1w27o wrote

The House Democrats forced Zabel to attend counseling and mandatory training. Zabel then continued his pattern of abuse for years. The House Democrats knowingly put women at risk of harassment and sexual assault.

If you care about women, this should disgust you.

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IamSauerKraut t1_jc26lqt wrote

>If you care about women, this should disgust you.

Dems told Zabel to get counseling.

Repubs told the wife beaters in their midst to do what? Oh. Right. To create fake figures (looking at you Frankie Ryan) and letters (looking at you Diamond) which helped create the false narrative Dush and MastriaNO tried pushing down our throats.

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SamuelLCompassion t1_jc279ml wrote

Republicans are so irrelevant on this one. Republicans think sexual assault is wrong because it's an affront to the spousal-owner of the baby production unit.

It would be nice to have both, but we need at least one party to not be the "grab em by the pussy" party.

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IamSauerKraut t1_jc2h29u wrote

>Republicans are so irrelevant on this one.

Perfect opportunity to point out their hypocrisy on the issue, especially when a member of their own caucus stays silent until they are no longer in power.

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obsolete-man t1_jbzzrbo wrote

knowing about allegations is not the same thing as having evidence.

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IamSauerKraut t1_jc267av wrote

So, if a guy bops a babe's boob or pats her butt, she has to provide evidence? How does she do that?

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obsolete-man t1_jc42atj wrote

How is that different from any other assault allegation? If you claim that some one punched you in the arm, they aren't going to just take your word for it and arrest the guy. How do you provide evidence?

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IamSauerKraut t1_jc44xlj wrote

> If you claim that some one punched you in the arm, they aren't going to just take your word

Again, if a woman gets her boob bopped or butt patted by a guy, how does the woman provide evidence? What you provide is an orange to my apple. A punch may result in an observable bruise which could be evidence whereas an unwanted pat on the arse will leave no mark. Or do you think the police will dust her butt for fingerprints?

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obsolete-man t1_jc475no wrote

So, what would you propose? Any time someone makes an allegation that they were inappropriately touched that the accused should be presumed guilty and immediately lose their position? be arrested? That's just complete nonxense.

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IamSauerKraut t1_jc48nxx wrote

>So, if a guy bops a babe's boob or pats her butt, she has to provide evidence? How does she do that?

That was my question to you. To which you responded with whining. Sometimes, when there are multiple women making similar accusations, see, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, you have to believe the accusers.

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obsolete-man t1_jc4h5pb wrote

I've repeatedly told you my solution. What's yours?

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IamSauerKraut t1_jc4hqic wrote

You provide no solution at all. What you attempt to do is two fold: answer my question by asking a bunch of questions (including a question to the primary question) and by attempting to apply criminal evidence standards to what at best can be described as either civil or administrative (i,e, ethics committee) allegations.

Not how this works.

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Aggravating_Foot_528 OP t1_jc1kxjg wrote

So you're saying that women who are harassed by men are responsible for having evidence of their harassment? So the onus is on the woman being harassed vs. the man doing the harassing?

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obsolete-man t1_jc1slls wrote

No, I'm saying that you can't prosecute criminal activity based upon rumors and hearsay. Those could be the basis for an investigation, but you need actual proof in order to convict. It's one of the basic principles of our legal system.

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Aggravating_Foot_528 OP t1_jc21e2y wrote

There is a difference between prosecuting criminal activity and being in the legislature.

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wagsman t1_jc2irve wrote

Yeah, and that difference is conducting an investigation and passing judgement based on what that investigation finds.

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alternatingflan t1_jc19my3 wrote

If sexual harassment occurs, it needs to be addressed immediately - period. It is sad to see republicans still reticent to get totally on board with this.

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IamSauerKraut t1_jc27596 wrote

Nothing?

You've not read that AG's Report on that.

And the folks lobbying the legislature to do nothing? Right. Republicans. Which group btw includes a former state senator convicted of possessing kiddie porn.

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ell0bo t1_jbzklpt wrote

Yes, both parties are exactly the same, right?

Because, if this was republicans, nothing would have been done and no one would have stepped down. Only reason this will continue to broil is because he stepped down, that's where Dems go wrong, they admit wrong doing. Sometimes it does take a bit to get them there though. Never admit anything, the electorate has proven time and time again they don't care.

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IamSauerKraut t1_jc27c6t wrote

I'm still waiting for a member - any member! - of the GQP expressing outrage at donnie dumpster fire walking in uninvited to the dressing rooms of teenage girls at beauty pageants.

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Arejaaay t1_jbzbgza wrote

Shhhh… It’s (D)ifferent here on Reddit.

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ell0bo t1_jbzkruw wrote

Oh please, when a Republican politician is held accountable for anything I'll believe hell might be freezing over. Only Dems resign / go to jail.

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IamSauerKraut t1_jc26tx5 wrote

Who controlled the PA House in 2019? Oh, right. The GQP was aware but did diddly to address allegations made by members of their own caucus!

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Arejaaay t1_jbzsoj8 wrote

The downvotes speak for themselves. Sniff little kids, grope women, it’s all good here on Reddit if you got that (D). Cue the whatabouts now.

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ell0bo t1_jbzu04s wrote

You literally voted for a president that bragged about grabbing women by the pussy. Fuck off trying to say anything about dems being sexual deviants. Dems might not have a clean house, and there's definitely smoke, but your house is on fire my friend.

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[deleted] t1_jc1cu98 wrote

Lol what are you talking about? This guy and anybody who knew about this and said nothing are scumbags.

And you’re a whiny little asshole, to boot. Go whine somewhere else.

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IamSauerKraut t1_jc26xxa wrote

Key whatabouts that you've been silent on: the wife beaters in the GQP caucus.

Oh. What's that?

crickets.

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