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delco_trash t1_iqxkdxa wrote

We really need to make sure that fetterman and Shapiro get elected this November

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kikicrazed t1_iqxqvvy wrote

Agree about Fetterman, but it’s also easy to forget his is a federal race. We need to focus on local state officials for this election as well.

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akhier t1_iqy02b9 wrote

Both, it isn't like when you vote for one you can't vote for the other

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dshd66 t1_iqy2zc5 wrote

It's an easy strategy. Vote blue, all the way through, no matter who. Fuck Republicans

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piperonyl t1_iqy6m26 wrote

There are parts of Shapiro's platform that i dont really agree with like how he wants harder sentences for nonviolent drug offenders.

But since the republicans ran someone straight out of the insane asylum, im going to vote for Shapiro.

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stabsthedrama t1_iqycz0s wrote

There are parts of Mastriano’s platform I don’t agree with like personally bussing traitors to an insurrection. He’s a traitor and should get the rope.

The dems putting up the AG was a disappointing move, but at least he’s not 90 years old, 1 point for the dems.

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dshd66 t1_iqy994z wrote

The only logical conclusion across the entire ticket

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coreydh11 t1_iqz8s77 wrote

As someone who will be voting entirely democrat this election I still completely disagree with blatant tribalism.

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crispydukes t1_ir0b1ev wrote

When one tribe fights dirty with the goal of completely canceling the game, you need to stick 100% with the tribe trying to do things fairly.

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dshd66 t1_ir0epyi wrote

Thank you. Fuck those idiots for their lack of understanding.

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coreydh11 t1_ir0kxvr wrote

Yeah that’ll convince them you’re right! Keep up the good work 👍

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dshd66 t1_ir1f9t4 wrote

You miss the point. We don't have to convince these fuckwits of anything. They ARE the minority. Good people just need to do the right thing. Fuck the racist, fascist fuckers

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coreydh11 t1_ir1tt3k wrote

I think you just don’t see how your language comes across. I agree with “fuck racists, fuck fascists.” I disagree with “fuck all republicans.” But you see those terms as interchangeable which is sad. I know people that vote republican simply for the fact that it’s how they were raised and they want nothing to do with politics at all. They’re not racist or fascist, and I’ve never called them such, but still they attempt to use that as a way to dismiss any actual argument I put in front of them because people like you automatically categorize them as racist and fascist. Are they ignorant? Yes, but that can be fixed with education and exposure. You have the same tribalism mentality as the racist and fascist. And that’s a problem. Support Dems when they deserve it, not just because they’re Dems

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dshd66 t1_ir2y8fy wrote

70 percent of republicans support trump.

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coreydh11 t1_ir3qvgs wrote

And here you are grouping the other 30% in with them thinking you’ll change their minds by saying “fuck you you’re all racist.” I’m on your side but you’re literally turning off people who might possibly come to realize why the GOP has become dangerous. If your only goal is to fire up the people who agree with you and get them to vote or whatever, you’re -maybe- doing a great job. But if your goal is to change the minds of other people who don’t yet see the world as you do, I would suggest finding a better way to voice that opinion. On the surface it seems like you couldn’t give a fuck about changing the minds of the 30% of the republican voters who don’t support trump. It also seems like you don’t care about the corruption within the DNC, because “that’s my team don’t you ever question them and by the way look over there at the GOP 🤷‍♂️”

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dshd66 t1_irafihb wrote

You're a fucking idiot if that's what you're talking away from this. 🖕

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coreydh11 t1_irau06l wrote

You literally told people to blindly vote democrat and you actually think you’re helping 🤦‍♂️ and now you’re pissed at me? Lmao

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coreydh11 t1_ir0ktlo wrote

Except we’re not talking about two tribes. The only party that currently has politicians I respect (Dems), also has corrupt politicians that I wish would just end their careers or kick the bucket. The OP I responded to literally just said “fuck those idiots for their lack of understanding”. Such a great strategy, I’m sure the average Republican voter just needs to be told “fuck you” a few more times and they’ll eventually come around. There are no tribes, that’s a facade.

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IamSauerKraut t1_ir18uo1 wrote

Right. Not all blue candidates ought to be voted into office, same as not all red candidates will be poor public servants.

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Reynard1981 t1_iqya2su wrote

Yeah, if we was to suffer another 4 more years. Fatterman and Shapiro would be the worst thing to happen to PA. We do not want either of them elected.

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31November t1_iqyeiey wrote

If you have to resort to fat shaming, you’ve already lost.

Gtfo loser

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[deleted] t1_iqyexts wrote

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31November t1_iqyg5m5 wrote

Your only critique is changing his name to say “Fatterman” instead of “Fetterman.”

That’s a middle-school level attempt at an insult. Get a policy platform or leave the room so the adults can have a real conversation.

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bastardosybastitdos t1_iqyjhuk wrote

To be fair, maybe this guy can’t spell or be civil. It could be that he’s just not op bright and very angry. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

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-Motor- t1_iqxb9i2 wrote

These election related rejections recently are just window dressing before they uphold the independent state legislature idea in Moore v Harper this year, which will rewrite everything going forward.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/moore-v-harper-explained

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mydogsnameisbuddy t1_iqy6z2m wrote

“The potential consequences could stretch still further. The theory would throw elections into chaos, nullifying hundreds of election rules put in place through ballot initiatives, state constitutions, and administrative regulations — including foundational state policies like the processes for voter registration and mail voting and basic guarantees like the secret ballot. State lawmakers would be able to adopt vote suppression legislation without any checks or balances from state courts or even gubernatorial veto. In other words, the theory would upend key aspects of our elections.”

That sounds bad. I bet once it’s law, it’ll be even worse than I can imagine.

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ThisIsMyPaAccount t1_iqxihcj wrote

This is a seperate issue. Chuds just kept throwing shit at the wall hoping they can gerrymanders the state harder and lost in the state Supreme court and got thrown out of the US Supreme court

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-Motor- t1_iqxiop4 wrote

Your missing my point. This supreme court is actively trying to appear a-political by granting wine reviews while rejecting others, but they save up for the bombshell fringe cases

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ThisIsMyPaAccount t1_iqxoatd wrote

> This supreme court is actively trying to appear a-political by granting wine reviews while rejecting others, but they save up for the bombshell fringe cases

Literally how the supreme court has run since marybury vs madison. In case you didnt know, the supreme court is part of the judicial branch of the government and thus political by definition. Im not as stupid as the people you are trying to trick with you post.

Also i never said anything otherwise about moore vs harper. I know what it means and i know what is going to happen because of it. go bark up another tree chud. I dont care that you are trying to equate the 2 totally separate issues with each other.

Not to mention YOU missed MY point. This was taken to state court because the state is losing a seat and republicans were crying because now the map is only like 3% gerrymandered to their favor instead of way more that they want. They lost in the state courts and thought they could pull a fast one because the courts were stacked with trump activist judges. Even then it got shot down.

The point you are making is totally unrelated outside of the fact that it has to do with election mapping. Moore v Harper says there is some made up idea that the state legislative branch can do whatever they want in an election and are trying to get the prior mentioned activist judges to give them carte blanche to change the results if they dont like them.

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-Motor- t1_iqxorbf wrote

I can understand why you hide behind a pa politics special/separate account.

You should correct the error in your last paragraph. "State executive branch"

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im_at_work_now t1_iqxrku2 wrote

Pretty sure that posting is not the same as hiding, but you do you.

But first, you should realize that you clearly don't understand the case. It is very clearly about the legislature's ability to draw maps without any checks against them (barring courts from overruling legislature, AKA eliminating checks and balances).

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jkman61494 t1_iqygi52 wrote

I think you’re missing the point where SCOTUS will make it legal to end voting

Biden or whoever wins a presidential race and the PA legislature doesn’t like it? They’ll just LEGALLY be able to say a Republican wins the “election”.

That is when America ends and a guerrilla styled civil war begins. And the military industrial complex, much like a failed nation state we’d use to snicker at on the evening news will be the decider of who wins. Unless they of course take that power for themselves

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Buffmin t1_ir5ncgi wrote

>Biden or whoever wins a presidential race and the PA legislature doesn’t like it? They’ll just LEGALLY be able to say a Republican wins the “election”.

Yup. The gqp is a minority party they cannot win fairly.

They're going this route as a desperate attempt to remain viable and in power.

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ChipKellysShoeStore t1_iqy8rjd wrote

Moore v. Harper is gonna be upheld on narrow ground and say that state courts can’t ex parte make their own electoral maps..

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-Motor- t1_iqy9b9p wrote

That would be the optimistic outcome, imho. Based on Dobbs, where they went beyond answering the question at hand and just gutted Roe, this court is quite willing to find the means to justify the ends. My first post about how they're shrugging off these election related requests, out of hand, sure gives me the feeling like they're trying to play both sides. Like they're trying to bank positive, broad public opinion with these moderate decisions, because they're saving up for a big blast.

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Cambro88 t1_iqyuw8o wrote

Yep. SCOTUS denied this likely because the GOP bypassed state courts to go straight to SCOTUS and also threatened to make a mockery of the state elections by asking for “at large” elections as a Constitutional solution that was really a publicity stunt. It’s likely they’ll uphold independent state legislature theory in the NC case and render this PA case moot without the procedural deficiencies.

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Alternative-Flan2869 t1_iqyf8ri wrote

That’s what I like to hear - judges in favor of democracy.

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Cambro88 t1_iqyurzy wrote

Hold your horses. They denied this likely because the GOP bypassed state courts to go straight to SCOTUS and also threatened to make a mockery of the state elections by asking for “at large” elections as a Constitutional solution that was really a publicity stunt. It’s likely they’ll uphold independent state legislature theory in the NC case and render this PA case moot without the procedural deficiencies.

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OttomanTwerk t1_iqyfy38 wrote

Suck it, conspiracy Republicans!

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IamSauerKraut t1_ir1a9aw wrote

It's absurd that a crook who lives on Long Island represents a district that stretches from the NY border almost clear down to MD, nearly bisecting the Commonwealth.

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Sprinkles_Hopeful t1_iqyolui wrote

Actually it depends on which party you are for at this particular time the gerrymandering done in Pennsylvania right now favors the Democrats so I'm good with that

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Avaisraging439 t1_ir03a5n wrote

Even so, PA has more Democrats than Republicans by total but yet Republicans are like 66 percent (or more) of the state legislature and electorals. How tf does that make sense? End the electoral college because land does not vote, small state votes should not be worth more than mine.

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WookieeSteakIsChewie t1_ir0sj6v wrote

Because Democrats are more compact in cities while Republicans are more spread out?

To be fair the state legislature is way too big and bloated and should be cut down by at least half.

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Avaisraging439 t1_ir0t2im wrote

Where someone lives should not give them more or less power than another fellow citizen.

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Sefkeetlee t1_iqxexk3 wrote

Just a heads up, this is posted by a karma farming account. 62k post karma and 192 comment karma.

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randompaaccount t1_iqxfpvi wrote

And? It’s PA related news from a reputable news site.

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Sefkeetlee t1_iqxg83l wrote

Karma farming is bad. Some people build karma farming accounts to later sell after a substantial amount of karma has been accrued. These accounts are sold to advertisement/marketing companies, because these accounts allow them to post in popular subreddits that usually have a karma cap. Once sold, these accounts are blatantly used for advertisement, sometimes not even marked as such.

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ScrappleOnToast t1_iqxptf1 wrote

Just a heads up, this is an account that solely posts accusations that OP is a bot or astroturfing on any politically charged post.

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Sefkeetlee t1_iqxry31 wrote

Please look at my history and tell me if this is all I post

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w0rstn4m33v3r t1_iqy8knc wrote

Just delete Reddit then, because it’s all advertisements and influencers at this point.

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ellipses1 t1_iqykxdj wrote

I have a decent amount of karma. How much can I sell my account for?

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Sefkeetlee t1_iqylxgj wrote

Decent amount ngl

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ellipses1 t1_iqymegc wrote

how do I sell it? I'm not really attached to it

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Sefkeetlee t1_iqymk56 wrote

There are sites out there that specialize in it

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ellipses1 t1_ir0evfs wrote

Cool, I just looked at one and it said it doesn't pay more than 100 bucks for an account. I'll check around.

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ArcherChase t1_iqxl610 wrote

You post this every time. We don't care. If it's so important to you, scour the news websites and post pertinent articles yourself.

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Sefkeetlee t1_iqxl882 wrote

Thank you, very cool

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akhier t1_iqy0v2q wrote

No, seriously, you are providing nothing for the sub. This post is both relevant and informative. Even if they are farming karma, which you can't prove until they actually do sell, they are providing a valuable service. Don't like it? Find the stuff first and post it yourself. Your complaints are basically complaining that the free local paper has ads in it or that the quirky tech startup everyone is fawning over plans to sell out to Google or whoever else offers enough first.

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Sefkeetlee t1_iqy2fsc wrote

I’m just as useful as people arguing with strangers on the internet

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akhier t1_iqy2mgj wrote

I would say that if this really is a bot, you're actually less useful. At least when two people are arguing they're keeping themselves occupied. You can't even manage that much.

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