annnon26252918 t1_irfkxbo wrote
Reply to comment by Redlar in ACLU files federal discrimination complaint against Central Bucks School District, alleging discrimination against LGBTQ students by Zashiony
>The school library is there to serve all students not just the ones raised with conservative values, after all, my tax money went to that library too.
So now you're advocating for porn to be in school libraries... Good for you.
>Oh boy, you don't want to know about network or cable TV, streaming services, video games, books, music, the Internet or what students discuss amongst themselves.
Section 1470 of Title 18, United States Code, prohibits any individual from knowingly transferring or attempting to transfer obscene matter using the U.S. mail or any means or facility of interstate or foreign commerce to a minor under 16 years of age. Convicted offenders face fines and imprisonment for up to 10 years.
That's why I specifically said law. Children will find a way to see said materials, but it should not be readily available in a school setting.
>I think parents want their kids to grow up to be healthy and happy adults which requires teaching them about the world as it exists currently.
And what you consider "healthy and happy" is not the same as what others consider healthy and happy.
Should my tax dollars go towards something I believe to be completely inappropriate materials for a classroom just because you think it's "okay" for kids to read pornographic materials, even as it breaks federal law?
Homeschool your kids, folks!
Redlar t1_irfm0vh wrote
>So now you're advocating for porn to be in school libraries... Good for you.
>Should my tax dollars go towards something I believe to be completely inappropriate materials for a classroom just because you think it's "okay" for kids to read pornographic materials, even as it breaks federal law?
>to transfer obscene matter
Define "obscene matter".
annnon26252918 t1_irfs37e wrote
Sucking D*ck is pretty obscene. You're not allowed to show someone sucking D'ck on cable television, why should it be allowed in our classrooms with young children?
Redlar t1_irg1fzs wrote
Define "obscene matter" in the legal sense not your opinion of it
annnon26252918 t1_irg4li0 wrote
Each State defines it differently, but since we're in a PA sub here's their law
> (2) sell, lend, distribute, transmit, exhibit, give away or show any obscene materials to any person 18 years of age or older or offer to sell, lend, distribute, transmit, exhibit or give away or show, or have in his possession with intent to sell, lend, distribute, transmit, exhibit or give away or show any obscene materials to any person 18 years of age or older, or knowingly advertise any obscene materials in any manner;
> "Obscene." Any material or performance, if:
(1) the average person applying contemporary community standards would find that the subject matter taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest;
(2) the subject matter depicts or describes in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct of a type described in this section ; and
(3) the subject matter, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, educational or scientific value.
None the less, what does sucking D*ck have to do with education?Are the girls and boys supposed to learn multiplication by how many D'cks they suck?
Like I said above, if a parent believes these kind of books are appropriate for their child, go buy it for them. It is not appropriate material for a learning environment.
Redlar t1_irgk1ma wrote
>(2) sell, lend, distribute, transmit, exhibit, give away or show any obscene materials to any person 18 years of age or older
This part has nothing to do with your argument.
As to whether or not it is considered obscene, the law does not support your argument because it does not pass the last part of this three part test, which you quoted:
>(3) the subject matter, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, educational or scientific value.
Ultimately, the law appears to be entirely irrelevant to your argument because of this section:
(j) Â Exemptions.--Nothing in this section shall apply to any recognized historical society or museum accorded charitable status by the Federal Government, any county, city, borough, township or town library, any public library, any library of any school, college or university or any archive or library under the supervision and control of the Commonwealth or a political subdivision.
Whether or not something is obscene has been argued for more than 100 years in our country.
I did enjoy learning more about the law in PA so thank you for that.
>It is not appropriate material for a learning environment.
That is your opinion.
If you have concrete evidence that the book is to be found in elementary school libraries across the state, I would be very interested in seeing it. Do keep in mind that anecdotal evidence is not acceptable.
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