JoshuaIan t1_isjou5a wrote on October 16, 2022 at 2:35 PM

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Yes, con men usually seem smart to marks, but that doesn't make them a good choice for anything

tyrael459 t1_isjx0j4 wrote on October 16, 2022 at 3:31 PM

Listen, if you can’t admit Oz is a smart guy, I think you have some problems.

JoshuaIan t1_isk90oh wrote on October 16, 2022 at 4:51 PM

Lol yeah like I said, con men always seem smart to marks, you're just telling everybody you're a mark.

tyrael459 t1_isk9oot wrote on October 16, 2022 at 4:55 PM

He was a surgeon. Holy shit, can you act more partisan? Give the guy credit for what he did. He’s an absolute scumbag now, but he’s smart, and you look small for not being able to admit that.

JoshuaIan t1_islft2j wrote on October 16, 2022 at 9:24 PM

He's one of the most famous and well known snake oil salesmen in the country. You're just telling on yourself that you fell for it by even advocating giving such a massive clown the benefit of doubt.

For example, people thought Donald Trump was smart too, because he conned them. Do you think Donald Trump is smart as well? The guy that stared into an eclipse? No, he's just really good at scamming dumb people. And a surgeon? Big fucking deal, Ben Carson was a surgeon and he's one of the dumbest assholes in public life. And meanwhile, as an engineer who spent about a decade supporting doctors, let me tell you, if you think somebody is smart just because they're a doctor??? Lmao. Bless your heart.

tyrael459 t1_islllet wrote on October 16, 2022 at 10:04 PM

Yes, I do think people are smart if they become doctors. Yes, Ben Carson is a smart man, too.

But being smart doesn’t mean you’re not dumb. Or cruel. Or corrupt.

I know this is the internet, but I would recommend you put more effort into viewing the world and its people with nuance.

People aren’t the cardboard cutouts you make of them (me included). Oz was and is a smart man, smarter than you or me, I would wager. But that doesn’t preclude him from other negative characteristics.

I worry for our future when people only see in absolutes.

JoshuaIan t1_islq449 wrote on October 16, 2022 at 10:37 PM

Tell somebody that has seen doctors do some of the dumbest shit imaginable that doctors are automatically smart just because they're a doctor, and then tell them they have no nuance

Surprisingly enough for somebody that thinks Oz is smart - without any sort of irony or self reflection!

tyrael459 t1_islt536 wrote on October 16, 2022 at 11:00 PM

You’re either not reading my posts or you’re intentionally being dense.

Of course doctors make mistakes. They make mistakes because they’re people, and people make mistakes and do “dumb shit,” as you put it. I’ve been dealing with doctors my entire life due to certain health issues. They are people just like all of us, but they are damn smart people when it comes to their fields of study, and they have my utmost respect.

Unless they turn to making insane money off vulnerable people with treatments they know don’t work, like Oz. That doesn’t make them any less smart, but it does make them cruel.