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Good, tired of seeing all these signs. Fuck both parties, all these signs do is ruin my view of beautiful fall foliage and contribute to plastic waste. They should be banned.

I was waiting for someone to blame democrats. I expected a quip about Hunter Bidens laptop, you failed me. So disappointing.

SeaPoem717's entire post history in this sub is trying to shoehorn the incident with Fetterman and the jogger into every single post.

They need to get a life, or at the very least, new material.

They(republicans) are pro gun..

..unless it's black people or democrats

It’s hilarious that anyone would think this.

I honestly agree with you about getting rid of the signs. While we’re at it let’s get rid of all of the billboards on the highway too.

I think candidates should be fined for every one of these that is on public property more than a week past Election Day.

The signs should only be on paper - never plastic - and only on private property.

Poems have different meanings and can be interpreted a thousand different ways. Unfortunately seapoem is transparent as cellophane.

Ever been up to Maine or Vermont? They’re banned there and I wish PA would adopt the same law banning them. It’s refreshing going somewhere and not seeing a ton of billboards.

Now i want to visit even more

Not a bad idea in theory but then I think you’d see candidates and staff collecting their opponents’ signs and dumping/posting them so they would get fined.

Yeah, you’re right, that would definitely happen

There's been bills proposed to do exactly this. State GOP won't hold hearings.

https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/opinion/2021/11/make-it-illegal-to-leave-campaign-signs-in-pas-public-spaces-after-election-opinion.html

He stole his own signs?

Republicans know their only effective weapon is cheating.

It's a good start.

Id do it for free if it actually personally hurt their bank account.

It’s all a cOnSiRrRrRrRrRaAaAaAcYyYy, maaannn!

Wait until an anonymous campaign staffer drives by and puts one on your property without permission.

Edit: I meant that it’s bullshit this happens without penalization. Please continue to dunk on me, enjoy your karma.

What does this have to do with literally anything?

A mess...they shouldnt be that worried about votes unless you know OZ isn't the winning candidate

Then I can take it down, and they get charged with trespassing

The man he accosted:

“Mr. Fetterman and his family have done far more good than that one bad act or action and, as such, should not be defined by it.”

"He signed that letter: “Gooo Fetterman.” "

Also the same guy--

"Miyares is serving an 18- to 36-month sentence after being convicted in 2019 of kidnapping, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, and other crimes against a woman who hired him for a ride to work."

Now which way are you gonna spin this?

Not sure why you're so passionate about this one man and his experience from 10 yrs ago to the point that it's become your entire personality and main activity on Reddit..(right behind "guns r kool")

Why do you have so much compassion for this one maniac, who wasn't even holding anything against Fetterman? Why do you always specify it was a black man as if you actually give two fucks about that?

The left is pretty well known for their hoax hate at this point.

But I could easily see some redneck doing this.

Political signs would likely be the most protected category of first amendment Freedom of Speech.

Agree with you on getting rid of this practice with the lawn signs (for everyone). The way billboards can ruin and otherwise beautiful landscape, political signs are an eye sore for your neighborhood, and yeah, they come out around what should otherwise be a very beautiful time of year.

Also, it's great for people to be able to discuss politics, but there's a time and a place. Like, generally it's custom to avoid politics at the dinner table. Do you really need to be that guy who's making their neighborhood a political forum? Best case scenario: all of your neighbors happen to have the exact same views as you and none of them think better or worse of you for it. More likely, you're just alienating your neighbors and making it a less friendly environment.

Do Vermont if you want a mountainous escape. Maine if you're into the shore.

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Ladies and gentlemen, the party of 'law and order." Fucking clowns lol.

Maine has mountains....

Please report bot accounts. This sub is being attacked by Russian bots and spammers. Just like every election cycle 🙄

Nope. You can count on this bot brigading the sub until the Dems win in November. Every election cycle these clowns spam every post. Mods never ban them for some reason, even though it's clearly a spammer and a troll.

They do exactly this in Denmark and other countries. The fines are extremely high, but significantly reduces this type of behavior

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Yeah, but you have to go pretty deep into Maine for the good ones. VT's pretty much entirely mountains.

I'll be the first to say that Democrats, especially the politicians thereof, don't have all the answers, aren't right about everything, etc.

But you don't see them doing this shit, or if you do it's an outlier. You don't see them resorting to the pervasive incivility, rule-breaking, law-breaking, lying & cheating at the direct campaign level. And it's entirely ubiquitous at all levels of Republican politics.

That alone ought to tell you who to vote for, at least until we can break the 2-party system via Ranked Choice voting, hopefully someday. In the meantime, you still might find yourself yelling angrily at your TV at some boneheaded policy or new law. But at least you have some reasonable hope of either changing their mind or at least voting them out. Republicans clearly have absolutely no interest in anything but plutocracy and fearmongering, and will stoop to any level of malfeasance to get there.

Wake up man, both sides cheat. You’re only lying to yourself

Crack is a very dangerous drug, buddy. You should get help.

I think it's funny they think signs are an effective campaign tactic in 2022. Sure they probably still work on older residents but the majority of them that can be swayed in that way are likely voting Republican anyway.

BoTh SiDeS aRe BaD

Totally agree, I'm an Independent who has voted for both parties at different times but the "Trumpublicans" are forcing me to vote more Democrat than I normally do. Starting to feel an even stronger need for a third and fourth option that can actually win.

Republicans simply feel entitled to do whatever they want to whomever they want.

Alaska too, at least when I was there.

Yes we get it "BOTH SIDES BAD" but one side cheats way more and is the focus the right now. Do try to keep up.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Pennsylvania/comments/y5k86p/rep_brian_fitzpatricks_record_in_congress_on/

It's being hit from all sides.

But, but, but, but the democrats cheated....but,but... typical, the dying party needs to cheat.

Law and order for you. Pure chaos for us.

Don’t you see, they have to cheat? Otherwise the other side might win. And they’re cheaters.

You can remove it though? A campaign staffer isn't going to back a cement truck up to your yard and install a permanent campaign sign. And if they are, they obviously have free concrete and time to spare and I'd like my sidewalk redone - send them my way please.

Gee if repubs didn't steal the signs then who did? Duh

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Republicans are not only ethical, but classy too. 🙄

Come on. It’s obviously a false flag attack. Dems playing 4d chess. (Sarcasm obviously)

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You can't have a 3rd or 4th option without changing the voting system, which isn't going to happen via the GOP or old power Dems. Grassroots organizing within the Dem party is the only way to get this done right now.

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I've had over a dozen signs destroyed or stolen this year. This is bullshit.

It does still matter though, something I think Dems made a mistake on in past cycles, but seem to have right this cycle.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/01/1124484573/midterm-elections-political-signs

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I'm not trying to be fatalist or defeatist, but honestly, all you can do with that is change which parties the top 2 contenders are in, you can't prevent there being a top 2 contenders, or it being in every individuals (whether candidate or voter) self-interest to align themselves with one of those two. Even the most diverse party systems in other countries always come down the faction in power against the opposition faction.

There are only two ways of changing this, and neither of them is ranked voting, instant runoffs, open primaries, or any other alternate electoral mechanics. The first way is to change reality so that laws do not either exist or not exist, and bills do not either pass or fail, requiring legislators to vote either yea or nay. That is not possible physically, but philosophically we can still consider it as if it weren't a necessary, logical, and metaphysical certainty.

The second way is to change our understanding of reality, without needing to change the electoral process at all. The truth is that it doesn't matter how government representatives are selected, some of the people being governed are going to have wanted a different representative. It is inherent in the duties of a government official to serve everyone, including people who voted against them (or didn't vote at all). If an official got 12% of the vote (while running against a dozen others who each got less) or 88% of the vote, it shouldn't matter, and the responsibility of a citizen in a democracy is to consider the official legitimate regardless. This is difficult to do, I realize, given that we must judge the validity of a government (particularly a democratic republic) by the results as much as the system itself. Most people want everything to be simple, and it isn't surprising that many don't believe that an office holder who only got a plurality rather than the majority of the votes deserves to be in office. And so it isn't surprising that office holders (regardless of party, but more often authoritarians) consider their selection as a mandate to serve their Party's unified goals rather than their constituent's diverse interests. Logic makes the first easy and the second impossible, so why would anyone bother not doing the first or even attempting the second?

Even an official who got 88% of the vote must be fair, and adequately represent (not faithfully parrot, but decently serve) the other 12%, and anyone who abstained or was disenfranchised. We rightfully have no tolerance (though we are not everyone in this case) for using government power once secured to punish those who didn't help secure it or pledge to help maintain it. But logic makes us animals or robots: to be fully human, we must accept the need to attempt potentially impossible tasks, and that includes self-government, which is the real purpose of both republics and democracies, either separately or in combination.

We can either abandon that pretense of "the problem is the 2 party system", which is a strawman, and recognize that a plurality is just as legitimate as a majority, so we no longer demand (by our expectations, whether or not we demand it in our actions or words) that we maintain a two party system so that whoever gets more votes also gets a majority of votes; or we can insist it is a fact rather than a pretense, and say that unless an unlimited number of candidates are on the ballot and one of them gets a majority, no election occurred, and get rid of parties all together. I know which one I think is more achievable and productive; how about you?

I would have some respect for the repubs if they didn't need to control elections cause their policies are crap. I am sick of all the shit they do.

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Just like those Republican votes found in 2020.

Oh and let’s not forget the video evidence of democrats stealing many Republican signs from private property. I guess it’s (D)ifferent when democrat signs are “stolen”.

Crazy how it is ALWAYS republicans doing shit like this. Cheat, lie, steal. It's pretty lopsided when you look at who is doing what.

In many neighborhoods I think they’re pointless. In my neighborhood for instance I see many signs for Fetterman and Shapiro and the local Congressional candidate but I’m sure our neighborhood will vote 90% Democratic anyway so why bother. Pretty much nobody comes to our neighborhood unless they live here or have business.

I suppose, but I'm in a purple neighborhood and I see many Dem candidates. Along rural highways it lean Republican, but more Dem than in previous years for sure. And in high traffic areas, people can get a general impression, and unfortunately we are a 'pack' social species and we tend to get impressions from what we see subconsciously.

It may not matter in your neighborhood, but there are thousands of neighborhoods and areas it does matter :)

What's wrong with the post? I didn't bother looking at the poster's history, do they spam the same comment in every single thread?

Yes, this. I bet those were all Trump supporters I watched in the last cycle, running over with their cars, or stealing all the Trump signs. Democrats would never come down to that level... Never... let's provide unlimited free abortion to everyone, male and or female.

Prior to their discussion with me, they almost exclusively post articles from a low quality site built with a WYSIWYG editor that doesn't even make it into the top few pages of google's search results for "local news bucks county pa", despite being dressed up and named as though it's some established local news source. From what I peaked around at, it's 98% hyper partisan political articles, all of which load incredibly slowly, often with broken images, and the first random article I clicked on turned out to be republished content from elsewhere.

Essentially it's a poorly built partisan junk site, which didn't exist until this election cycle, masquerading as an established regular local news site.

Where do you live that people were destroying Trump signs? I flat-out do not believe you, because I see no evidence anywhere. Even the propagandists a la Tucker Carlson would be shrieking about it if it actually happened anywhere to any measurable degree.

I'm also going to challenge you to tell me why banned or expensive abortion is good, for anyone, because it isn't. Not for babies, families, men, women, or society.

They should do that with all paper ballots... fuck election signs.. they prove nothing.

I find it pretty ironic to see ads against distracted driving on highway billboards, the sole point of which is to distract the driver with advertising.

Billboards should be banned, they promote distracted driving and visually clutter the state with actual trash.

I drive professionally all through Pennsylvania and the tri state area.. I have witnessed it several times... twice I stopped to offer aid... and twice I was told, just "trying to make America great again by removing these Trump Signs." And whilst driving through residential neighborhoods, the amount of cars turfing lawns, just to run them down... or vay!

The vast amount of lying done by right-wing supporters makes it hard to believe you. Marking up one's own houses with BLM graffiti and the like. People supporting the barbaric ideology of the Right can't seem to be trusted to act or speak truthfully or in good faith. As evidenced by the dumpster full of Democratic signs.

>running over with their cars

yet they put their signs in front of metal sign posts to protect them

So you are calling me a liar? I have no reason to lie about such a thing. As a professional driver, I'm supposed to render aid to motorists in need... and that is what I was told by the Trump sign haters. Other than that. The ones I saw driving off the road, to damage signs, ill give them the benefit of doubt... perhaps they were drunken motorists that accidentally went 100 yards off of the road, ran down signs and manipulated their vehicles back on to the roadway.

What does this have to do with the post?

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Good, I'm tired of the signs. Unnecessary pollution. Absolutely no one has ever decided who to vote for based on those dumbass signs.

It’s a troll account, don’t engage. They’re everywhere in any PA related sub.

Even if I didn't automatically distrust right-wingers, your account looks (and your posts sound) like a Chinese or Russian troll farm account, if not even a bot. Pound sand.

Doesn't matter if all someone does is watch Fox News and scroll Facebook.

There’s still tens of millions EVERYWHERE, who gives a crap about 100?

They're useful in my neighborhood because I know who the hell to stay away from. Certain signs let me know that I would be in danger from that person if they knew that I was queer

Yes I realize there are mixed political neighborhoods. I was just saying many are pretty homogeneous. There were only a few Trump signs in my neighborhood and one flag whose moved not long after the election probably a coincidence.

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They won't get charged with trespassing.

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And it works and they win.

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Libs mad 😡

In 2020 someone stole my Biden/Harris sign. Obviously I wasn't happy but I was also not surprised.

They really only serve for name recognition.

I live in a similar neighborhood as you and feel the same. That said…I rarely see any republican signs for similar reasons.

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Pretty sure maryland does this.

Get everyone you know out to vote these repubtards our next month. Enough is enough. Every republican must go.

Then those stolen signs would magically reappear after Election Day

All of these signs belong in the dumpster. They are ugly and a complete waste of space in a landfill

Think about who would have to vote to make this happen and how understaffed their campaigns are. That should make it clear why every place doesn’t have it and why more local government officials don’t enforce it.

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Why wouldn't you press charges for trespassing? Hell, you could probably tack on littering on private property for the sign as well.

We were driving today to a park and the only sign out were for republicans. I commented on it at the time on the way to my wife.

Trespassing them requires they stay there and wait. They won't.

Not necessarily. All you need is evidence of them placing the sign. Any basic security camera would be sufficient for that.

You have to really live a pathetic life to go around stealing political signs. Would love to see the beauty that was doing this.

Do you have any proof of either of these cases?

Oops. My buddies and I did this like ~18 years ago in high school. It was Bush Jr's reelection and we stole 32 Bush yard signs in total in a few hours joyriding in the middle of the night. Not quite 100 but we were just some high school kids.

Republicans literally project what they’re guilty of. Since they’re doing it, they can’t imagine the other party not doing it.

If I'm alienating neighbors with my Shapiro sign, I'm good with that.

Lol I totally understood what you meant and I don’t know why everybody’s picking on you so bad

Republicans: keepin’ it classy. 😕

Hey just checking back in on the proof thing

>The signs were in support of Democratic candidates or causes such as reproductive health issues.

This reflects the thieves' disrespect for the democratic process and their willingness to break laws to achieve their goals.

Political signs should be banned period. Do you really need a sign to tell you who is running for office?

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Gee, I wonder why? /s

There are still like a dozen barletta signs attached to utility poles near me (Which they're not allowed to use). High enough that you'd need a ladder to get them down.

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And blame Democrats for doing first even though they have no evidence.

Some of these comments are hysterical. Is it wrong...of course it is...but don't try to pretend that the Dems havent tried to destroy every Trump sign ever planted in a yard or hung on flagpole!!!

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Just fine them for having them on public property at all

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Omg nazisss

Yooooo, when I made that edit it was at -7 or so. Now it's up (down?) to -81. This is hilarious; ask for downvotes and ye shall receive.

I think I meant to reply to a different comment that made more contextual sense but made a mistake. I'm glad someone got it though!

Removed my downvote because I believe I understand what you meant. Sorry for all the downvotes.

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Does anybody find it even slightly funny that a stupid sign pissed somebody off so bad that they went and collected 100 signs just to throw them away? FFS, I'm a conservative and that takes some dedication to be that pissed off. It's as stupid as when we had somebody stealing Trump signs in 2016. Like, JFC, it's a sign. How can a stupid sign bother you so much that you want to take time out of your day and waste it like this? I've got way better things to do.

Or go up starting in damn February.

They were all over the news. Let me guess, you have a very short memory as well

Hey, how about you look it up for yourself. It was all over the news not even 2 years ago.

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You've got to be fucking kidding right? Holy cognitive dissonance. You're lost forever.

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if you think the police will take you serious if you try to press charges for this hypothetical situation i have news for you lol

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Can’t we just do away with these signs altogether? They either end up in a dump or just left to trash the environment

This isn't something people do when they're confident their team is going to win

Good place for them

And it should be easy to find out what is on your ballot ahead of time. Yes, you can find a list of candidates, but ballot questions and lesser-known offices can be a surprise. We can’t be informed voters without all of the info ahead of time.

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I had someone drive past and yell "Trump Motherfucker" at 6 AM on a Saturday because I had a Biden flag.

So humans figured out how to properlly do this whole logic and reasonable debate thing a few thousand years ago. Since then it's been understood that the person making the claim is responsible for providing the proof.

Otherwise you end up with a bunch of people spewing nonsense and then demanding other people go through the effort of disproving them. It's lazy argumentation. Be responsible for your own points.

They didn't teach you this in 10th grade English comp?

Good thing there's a private criminal complaint system in PA, so the police can go fuck themselves if they decide they don't want to investigate.

And sure, the commonwealth attorney can dismiss the filing, but there's a little subsection the have to fill out in doing so, so it has to go on the docket that they were given evidentiary proof that a crime was committed on private property and they decided not to pursue an investigation, which I'm sure would be great fodder for their opponents come the next election cycle.

But hey, I guess I'm the fool for actually knowing the legal system in our state. :)

One time a guy honked to get my attention and flashed a paper sign at me on I-76 that said, "Hail to the THIEF".

I had a VOTE sticker and a Liz Warren sticker on my car since the primaries lol. I think it still says WARR

Out West they include an information packet with your mail ballot and it's 100% normal to them.

actually wrote out a comment but decided to delete it because you clearly are one of ‘those’ people who needs the dopamine hit of being right Online to get through the day. so you win. but regardless no one would care and you could try and press charges all you want. it would be fruitless

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Bro, what part of 'private criminal complaint system' and 'commonwealth attorney' didn't you understand? You do realize you file that at a court house, not a police station, right?

You wanna tell me anywhere on this document where it says anything about the police at all?

okay great fill the form out. nothing will happen. cops or ‘private criminal complain system’.

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In most cases? Probably not. But then I return back to 'looks bad for a commonwealth attorney's election bid'. That form has to go on file and has to have a docket number, so it's not going to magically disappear into a shredder. And if a mirth of dropped prosecutions into trespassing suddenly gets handed to the incumbent attorney's opponent, that's great fodder for saying the incumbent doesn't mind complete strangers stalking around the houses of the citizens of the Commonwealth and committing crimes. That attack ad is practically writing itself.

Yep! I know Colorado does this for sure. All registered voters automatically get a ballot in the mail for each election. If you don’t want to vote by mail, you can bring it to your polling place. Makes perfect sense.

Meanwhile in PA, if you order a mail-in ballot and decide to vote in person, they give you a hard time and try to give you a provisional ballot even if you turn in your mail-in. I’ve done this twice and they had to call someone offsite to confirm each time.

Mind if I ask why you didn't just return your ballot? I've been voting by mail since Act 77 passed with zero issues.

>because you clearly are one of ‘those’ people who needs the dopamine hit of being right Online to get through the day. so you win

Lol, And you seem to be the type that gets off by " being better than that" but still typing instead of just not replying and actually "being better than that" lol

We need to stop it across the board, not just point fingers at one side

https://www.ktvu.com/news/hundreds-of-campaign-signs-stolen-from-mayoral-candidates-in-san-jose

https://www.wkyt.com/2022/10/03/campaign-signs-take-center-stage-ky-state-senate-race-kerfuffle/

https://www.livingstondaily.com/story/news/local/community/livingston-county/2022/10/14/vote-no-on-pot-stores-signs-stolen-group-says-thieves-to-blame-brighton-marijuana-ballot-proposal/69560137007/

I procrastinated and then didn’t think it would get through the mail in time.