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Genkiotoko t1_isz6x0q wrote

I strongly suggest everyone reads City Controller Rhynhart's audit of the Philadelphia Police Department released the other day. It really explains a lot behind the shortcomings of policing in Philadelphia. For example, the police department patrols areas like Kensington 22% less now than in 2017. Response rates are the slowest amongst major cities. Ninety percent of calls to 911 nationally are answered in 10 seconds while Philly is 68%. There are all sorts of issues like outdated systems of data tracking and departmental communication, community engagement, lack of concise roles, and so much more. For example, many cops are performing administrative duties and jobs that could be done by regular civilians. For example, uniformed officers are tasked with delivering files between precincts, a job a courier company or non-uniformed employee could do more affordably..

At the end of the day, more criminals will take larger risks when the entire enforcement apparatus takes longer to receive, respond, and engage situations.

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Provetie t1_it0vomm wrote

That report should shake this city to its core. It’s timely and pertinent. Hopefully, it does not get swept under the rug with the next ridiculous “news” story.

With that said, I fail to see how this equates to OP’s article.

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stevez_86 t1_it26ffi wrote

The police are holding the city hostage because the mayor hurt their feelings. If a gang were to run law enforcement in Philly I think we would see a safer place than now.

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BroSnow t1_it0l7cq wrote

That’s a lot of response time stats from a dude who leaves out the department size decreases over that same time. Hint: there are a lot fewer cops and less recruits to fill the gaps.

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Genkiotoko t1_it0mll7 wrote

The report infers that response time would greatly be improved should there be corrections with officers who are abusing Heart and Lung protocol or other sick-out reasons (11%, compared to the next highest city of 3%) and officers performing non-policing administrative work. The report also says that there indeed needs to be an improvement in office retention and recruiting.

At the end of the day we need to recognize that police need to do policing. That means improving the systems they have access to, cracking down on sick-out fraud, improving retention, improving processes and SOPs, and ensuring/enforcing job role clarity.

PPD needs a top to bottom overhaul to address a slew of issues. I encourage you to actually read the report.

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mkinn01 t1_it2mtte wrote

I think if the DA was not so anti-police you might see a boost in moral and less sick time being used. It’s hard to go to a job every day with the stress level these cops have to deal with,

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kormer t1_it47smg wrote

> The report infers that response time would greatly be improved should there be corrections with officers who are abusing Heart and Lung protocol or other sick-out reasons (11%, compared to the next highest city of 3%)

Teachers abusing sick policies to negotiate better working conditions: YAAS SLAY QUEEN!!! POWER TO THE UNIONS!!!

Police Officers abusing sick policies to negotiate better working conditions: Wait no, not like that!

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timewellwasted5 t1_it0pnl3 wrote

I wonder why there are fewer police officers and fewer police officer candidates. I wonder if that summer that we spent burning police cars, shouting fuck the police at the top of our lungs, and generally disrespecting the profession in every way imaginable had anything to do with it.

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SpectacledReprobate t1_it0tth7 wrote

Wasn’t it Philly police that literally stole a kid and did a photo opp with him, saying his mom ditched him at a protest?

Wrong city for this narrative, chief

Edit: It was, and the actual story was far worse than that, city settled for $2 million.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-settles-millions-rickia-young-unrest-20210913.html

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timewellwasted5 t1_it0wm46 wrote

Not exactly dude, the city of Philadelphia is a democratic disaster. Wawa is making a good call getting the hell out of that city.

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SpectacledReprobate t1_it0ytic wrote

So the answer is yes, and you’re trying to deflect from your actual disaster of a statement?

Philly’s been Philly since the days when PA was considered a “legacy” GOP state, so in the words of Abe Lincoln:

You broke it, you bought it, asshole.

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timewellwasted5 t1_it12fvd wrote

Sorry, I’m not a republican either. I know that’s the easy deflection point, but Philadelphia is a union strong hold, and a democratic city through and through. And, like many other democratic cities throughout the country, it’s turned into a fucking war zone. Nice job!

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SpectacledReprobate t1_it13py7 wrote

Really sounds like you don’t want to talk about that kid that Philly PD kidnapped, bud.

Also, crime is way up nationwide from small town to mega city and in red rural states.

These attempts to pin it ALL on Democrats are weak and stupid, even by (R) standards.

Also what is it, 8/10 of the most violent states in the Union are (R) strongholds? That’s math that even you can do.

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timewellwasted5 t1_it14vpk wrote

I actually don’t know anything about the kid in Philly, but I will look into it. This is the first I’ve heard of that story.

Now, what I have heard about is that major corporations, Starbucks, McDonald’s, you name it, are all closing stores in the center of cities. These are not republican cities. These are democratic cities. Can you tell me what the problem is?

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SpectacledReprobate t1_it17tgv wrote

> I actually don’t know anything about the kid in Philly, but I will look into it. This is the first I’ve heard of that story.

“I’m either lying or extremely uninformed” isn’t really the out you think it is.

> Now, what I have heard about is that major corporations, Starbucks, McDonald’s, you name it, are all closing stores in the center of cities.

> These are not republican cities. Can you tell me what the problem is?

So a quick google search of “England store close crime” gives me examples of stories outside the US closing due to increased crime rates.

Are Democrats responsible for that too?

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/20813418.amp/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/21/recorded-in-england-and-wales-at-20-year-high-as-charge-rate-hits-new-low

The most violent states in the union are mostly run by Rs. This insane little blame game of yours needs to stop.

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timewellwasted5 t1_it2ayul wrote

Dude, I have no idea what is wrong with you but I legitimately did not hear about that story about the kid. I’m not really sure how else to explain that I didn’t hear about a news story that you’re talking about…not sure what you’re getting at there.

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Dat_Boi_Aint_Right t1_it7xxvy wrote

Then you're really not qualified to speak on this issue as you're ignorant of a huge story regarding the very topic you're trying to discuss.

What value is your opinion if it's from a position of ignorance?

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Dat_Boi_Aint_Right t1_itch8vj wrote

If you don't know about that incident you're clearly ignorant of the situation so your opinion isn't really worth anything.

Don't feel bad, as you said it's Reddit, so there's lots of ignorant opinions here. I just thought you might not want to be one of them.

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drxdrg08 t1_iszbuj9 wrote

> For example, many cops are performing administrative duties and jobs that could be done by regular civilians.

And they are doing it while getting good union pay and union labor protections.

I thought strong and large unions were a good thing?

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mittenedkittens t1_iszdf1j wrote

What kind of gotcha is that supposed to be?

I think the assertion is simple - why are we paying these cops to be administrators and not cops? That's misuse of a limited resource, and a sign of mismanagement.

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alexp8771 t1_iszj2sq wrote

I think he understands unions better than you do. There is probably some medical reason or someshit why they cannot patrol, and because of strong union protections they are given something else to do but get to keep all of their pay and benefits. That is what unions give you. Every union I have ever been involved with on the private side was like this.

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Genkiotoko t1_isznenf wrote

There are a lot of assumptions in your statement. Read the report and you'll see medical issues are not why cops doing menial tasks and non-policing jobs. There are also plenty of other public sector unions that administrative workers belong to.

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drxdrg08 t1_iszh7d4 wrote

> What kind of gotcha is that supposed to be?

Logic 101?

> I think the assertion is simple - why are we paying these cops to be administrators and not cops? That's misuse of a limited resource, and a sign of mismanagement.

Because the physical person behind that job, again, gets good union pay and union labor protections.

How is this not obvious given that the narrative here is that unions are good, and higher pay is good? Are you giving up that narrative only because the money comes out of taxpayer pockets and not private company accounts?

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Genkiotoko t1_iszibuj wrote

>Because the physical person behind that job, again, gets good union pay and union labor protections.

There are plenty of non-police public sector unions that civilian administrative personnel can join. No reason for them to ne police officers in a police union. The average officer makes around $70,000 before overtime and other pay. There are plenty of people who would respectfully fill the position to earn $40k -$50k.

Why do you specifically want cops in these non-policing positions? Seems like a waste of taxpayer dollars and a concentration of bureaucratic power.

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