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TheInnerHam t1_itaeepg wrote

Reply to comment by bontakun82 in For anyone else who wasn't sure // Pa. election 2022: There will be no constitutional amendments on the Nov. 8 ballot by LightInTheAttic3

Lol tell me you're incapable of independent thought without telling me you're incapable of independent thought.

It would be laughable how often you people throw out an "ist" card without actually engaging in a real discussion if it wasn't dividing the country so much. But it's okay, the person on the magical screen told you that anyone who has a different political position than you is racist, now enjoy your cookie and a warm glass of milk.

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GrabtheBull t1_itbn096 wrote

I’ll bite, I’m not calling you any kind of “it’s” and I’m curious why you hate Oz and what stances Mastriano has that you agree with, and how you see his support for the destruction of American democracy as a positive thing. Sincerely curious to hear your independent thoughts.

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TheInnerHam t1_itbtnfq wrote

I dislike Oz because he has flipped every position he holds from his time on his show to the default republican when he started running for public office. Though someone's thoughts on a topic can change over time, typically it doesn't happen that fast and that completely. I also really dislike the idea of creating an ad stating that someone who had a stroke has "screws loose". I disagree with Fetterman's positions on most issues, but the man suffered a tragic medical event and that shouldn't be made fun of.

I agree with Mastriano on opening up Pa's energy sector to produce more natural gas. We have a lot of energy here that can be extracted and exported and it will help reduce economic pressure on American families. I agree with him on making Pa a constitutional carry state and giving law abiding citizens the right to defend themselves without government bureaucracy getting in the way and slowing down the process. I agree with him on school choice and allowing parents to choose where their kids go to school. I also agree with voter id laws and helping ensure the integrity of our elections.

I assume that you are referring to Jan 6th when you mention him supporting the "Destruction of American Democracy". My general stance on January 6th was that it was very misguided and pretty stupid for the protestors to go into the capital. I agree with questioning all elections in general and the 2020 election in specific. There should always be maximum transparency in our elections and if a non-insignificant portion of the population doesn't trust the results, we should audit the results to address their concerns. We shouldn't just tell them their concerns are baseless and to go be quiet and just accept the results. It does nothing but cause the mistrust to fester. I'm totally fine with people that went to the capital to protest, even if going into the capital itself was stupid.

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GrabtheBull t1_itbwv2j wrote

Do you care about the well-being of the people/water/land in the areas that they want to frack, the potential displacement and harm to those communities, and long-term effects of that sort of quick and dirty way of energy gains rather than more sustainable energy options that also provide jobs and money to the communities without destroying natural resources and making people sick?

I live in a fairly rural area and personally know people who carry guns in PA who legally shouldn’t (and who I personally don’t trust for safety reasons). Expanding carry laws to make it legally easier to carry a gun will mean very little to those in communities where everyone already carries and there’s very little enforcement of the laws in place. I see no net benefit to expanding those laws, as the areas where easier access to guns would potentially hurt more people than help will outweigh any theoretical benefit to people in areas where the people crying for that expansion live.

He wants to personally be able to decide who has access to voting and what votes count. He wants to personally be able to decertify voting machines and votes. Do you not see how a person being elected controlling whose votes count is fascism and not democracy? What makes you think you or he or me, for that matter, should get to personally decide what a “legitimate” and “free” and “fair” election looks like? There should be a nationally-regulated standard for certifying votes, etc, and this should NOT be left up to the whims and fancies of local electors. He will do nothing to create a more fair voting or election process. He will pick and choose which votes count to give himself more power. The idea that the 2020 election was rigged or skewed has been categorically proven to be a myth, and the cases of voter fraud that have actually held up have mostly been found to be Republicans. Making it harder to vote doesn’t lead to a more sound or fair election.

There, I refuted your bigger points without calling you racist. I don’t expect you to change anything, and I do think it’s unfortunate that you believe the lines of bullshit being fed to you. All the best to you.

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Salty-Database-179 t1_itc0uvm wrote

He ain't gonna read this. He said his stupid shit and he's moving on to troll another thread. They aren't keen on the whole take in new information and adapt your views thing.

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GrabtheBull t1_itci158 wrote

The working class can and must be engaged by ideas and policies that might actually help them. A majority will reject them off-hand because GOP identity politics works most strongly on them, but you will plant seeds of doubt in some folks. Leaving wrong ideas unchecked and otherized hasn’t gotten our society any lasting change, it’s just led to our current issues. Societies and cultures don’t get better because you call someone an idiot or a racist. I’m not saying everyone should engage everyone who supports politicians with backwards, dangerous, fascist viewpoints, but if they only ever hear the other side hurling insults at them, they’re gonna double the fuck down on their support of fascists.

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TheInnerHam t1_itcbyg0 wrote

You can access our natural gas resources without poisoning the communities around them and completely destroying the environment. Though I think there is a lot of potential opportunities for greener technologies the infrastructure isn't there yet. We can build that infrastructure while still utilizing what we currently rely on, i.e. fossil fuels. It's not an either or proposition. We can and should do both.

Everyone has the right to self preservation, and in a world where firearms exist, everyone should be allowed to carry one if they see fit.

No one is going to be able to hand select which voted counts. But we should have clear laws on which voted do and when they are valid. Regardless of which side benefitted from it, all voter fraud is wrong and should be prevented.

I refute your refutation, but I appreciate your honest discussion. The best to you as well.

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scotticusphd t1_itbda0p wrote

You're voting for the Confederate uniform guy, though?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-pennsylvania-candidate-mastriano-posed-confederate-uniform-army-war-2022-08-26/

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TheInnerHam t1_itbow3t wrote

I don't have to agree with everything a person does to vote for them. A history teacher dressing up as a confederate soldier is misguided, especially given the context of the photoshoot, but is a nothing burger of an issue for me. Playing dress up is not the same as espousing the beliefs of what you are dressing up as. We don't know why he did it. We know the speculation given to us by biased reporters, but that doesn't make it the reality.

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scotticusphd t1_itcd8or wrote

The comment precisely demonstrates how fascists obtain power. People who ignore racism and look the other way are literally how Hitler rose to power in the 1930s. Mastriano and Trump are following the same playbook.

Mastriano also has ties to antisemitic groups, and the Christian nationalist site Gab. He's made it clear that he only intends to govern for white Christians by the company he keeps and the prayers he starts his rallies with. I'm happy for you that you can look tgr other way, but I can't. He's a danger.

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bontakun82 t1_itbot5m wrote

I don't have to engage in any kind of discussion with you. Why would I care to hear what a dumb racist says? See that's what people like you fail to realize, I actually don't have to respect your opinion because your opinion is shitty and bigoted.

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TheInnerHam t1_itbuq0o wrote

You don't even know what my opinion is. You make a blanket generalization that I must be a racist because I'm voting for Republicans. Someone thinks differently than you and they are automatically dumb and racist. That's a pretty shitty and bigoted opinion you have there.

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bontakun82 t1_itc7rnb wrote

Well you're supporting the party of white nationalists, so yeah. "BuT tHe DeMs ArE tHe ReAl RaCiStS" you're right, you do think differently than me, I think everyone should be free and you vote for people who take away freedom so I think you're a piece of shit. If that makes me a bigot by the definition then I'm totally ok with that, I'll be a bigot towards racist Republicans all day.

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TheInnerHam t1_itc935c wrote

"The party of white nationalists" you're tilting at windmills there bud.

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bontakun82 t1_itcf3h1 wrote

Lol well they aren't voting Democrat and they definitely voted for trump. Hey, remember that unit the left rally in Charlotte where all the progressives matched in the streets? No, me neither because it was unite the right and they were openly Nazis.

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TheInnerHam t1_itcglql wrote

There were progressive protestors in Charlottesville. The woman that died was a progressive protestor.

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