gabronkas t1_iu2asqb wrote
So is the video of him selling these specific guns? Or they have a video of him selling guns to an undercover agent, and separately traced these guns back to him too?
If the former, know they have to protect the investigation, but kind of awful then the informant re-distributed these same guns and they were used in the shooting. Am I missing something?
matt5001 t1_iu2d2mq wrote
Sounds like he sold the 2 guns after they had been used in the Roxborough shooting.
> Both of the firearms the defendant sold on October 13, 2022 were traced by law enforcement as being used in a deadly shooting in Roxborough about two weeks prior
gslavik t1_iu2ieg5 wrote
So ... selling stuff out of the evidence locker? I presume the sale was not done through an FFL with a 4473 background check.
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2knnf wrote
From what I've heard the Philly Sheriff's department was missing 200+ guns from evidence.
Someone watched Lethal Weapon 3 and got inspired.
gslavik t1_iu2lz5d wrote
Would you happen to have a source? Would love to read more into that.
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2mdlz wrote
This was just from a most recent audit - apparently it includes both service weapons and evidence lockup. I'd wager it has grown a bit since 2015.
gslavik t1_iu2o0sd wrote
Thank you. I would add that it is just the sheriff's office ... I am sure Philly PD and other PDs (across the country) have similar gun disappearing issues.
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2pnww wrote
Definitely. Even the military and National Guard have a problem with guns disappearing from time to time (although they tend to keep better track of their gear than the police do).
gslavik t1_iu2u91f wrote
Reminds me of the recent story where people bought a milsurp box and it came complete with rifles ...
IrrumaboMalum t1_iu2v1rd wrote
Why can't that happen to me man? Why?
BureaucraticHotboi t1_iu2wqu2 wrote
Yeah the sheriffs office in Philly is even worse and less controlled because they are an superfluous law enforcement agency. For all their problems PPD could absorb the duties of the sheriffs office and civil servants could do the rest they literally don’t have a law enforcement mandate except guarding court houses and transporting some prisoners to court. But we have PPD and a robust (of understaffed) corrections department they could be absorbed by both instead they are a patronage hole for people who can’t get hired by other agencies
heili t1_iu3x15l wrote
Guns, drugs and money tend to grow legs in evidence lockers.
BureaucraticHotboi t1_iu2we60 wrote
Philly sheriffs office is historically and recently extremely corrupt. They really have no business existing. They basically guard court houses and transport prisoners and do some civil warrant serving. However they wouldn’t be holding guns in most cases from crimes sounds like this guy bought and sold these on the street.
SunRaye92 t1_iu4cb8s wrote
Based on the documents from the govt, the sheriff exited his vehicle, met a third individual from whom he received the two guns used in the shooting, and then returned to his vehicle and accepted payment from the informant.
AFD_0 t1_iu2dins wrote
Yeah, this is 100% unclear.
Either the guns were illegally sold to federal informants and then later used in a shooting? Or.. they were used in a shooting, recovered by the Sheriff and then sold to the informants? Sounds like someone else should be in trouble for this as well.
JennItalia269 t1_iu2x9s1 wrote
The timeline is confusing as presented. It goes like this:
Incident 1. Guns used in Roxborough HS shooting.
Incident 2. Two weeks later, guns stolen from evidence and sold to a CI.
So the sheriff didn’t sell the guns prior to use at roxborough, but presumably stole them from evidence and sold them after the fact.
Benanov t1_iu4eyt0 wrote
AND it happened so soon after the incident that those firearms are definitely going to be used for prosecution and trial...this wasn't just selling firearms illegally it was preventing justice from being done
ramvan t1_iu4ggig wrote
From reading other news sources, he sold the guns to an FBI informant after the shooting. The FBI did ballistics testing after they bought them and found that they were the guns from the high school shooting. It’s not clear how he got them, but presumably he got them illegally. There was never an announcement about recovering the guns, and due to the nature of the crime the city has been vocal about every bit of positive news in the case. That makes me think he got them on the street rather than stealing them from an evidence locker as some have speculated.
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