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Terrible_Use7872 t1_iu4vfcc wrote

They're still not allowed to open absentee ballots till election night so of course the numbers will change.


MrGenerik t1_iu4w526 wrote

Hey get out of here with your reasonable explanations and understanding of the process!


AFD_0 t1_iu66k6n wrote

But.. but.. the candidate who's supporters don't believe in mail-in voting was winning right up until the mail-in votes were counted. Stop the steal! /s


MrGenerik t1_iu4w0hq wrote

"They're already prepping us for the steal!"

I'm just preparing you for the excuses and accusations


oldschoolskater OP t1_iu6hu75 wrote

The question is will the Dems be "election deniers" if this election doesn't go the way they want?


HectorsMascara t1_iu7bxix wrote

not without lots of evidence


Fitzgeraldfan7193829 t1_iu7efy4 wrote

Hillary Clinton falsely claimed the 2016 election was stolen and Donald Trump is an illegitimate president


mybrosteve t1_iu7fhko wrote

*Citation needed


Fitzgeraldfan7193829 t1_iu7g9yf wrote

It is genuinely scary the media you’ve been consuming hasn’t informed you of this.


jaythebearded t1_iu8bv9h wrote

Oo I love the ominous musical tones, really sells how spooky and sensational it all is


Fitzgeraldfan7193829 t1_iu8koxl wrote

Imagine denying literal videos of your heroes saying something because the billionaires told you they’re actually good


jaythebearded t1_iu8lc1o wrote

> your heroes

Lmao imagine thinking those people are my heroes.


scotticusphd t1_iuae9wi wrote

It's scarier you eat this shit up. Hillary Clinton called him on election night and conceded.

Donald Trump has yet to concede despite mountains of evidence that he lost. That you can't tell the difference says a lot about how gullible you are.


Fitzgeraldfan7193829 t1_iuaeg9u wrote


scotticusphd t1_iuag0uz wrote

When you scratch the surface of the avalanche of lies, very little actual evidence is there. People have done this journalism. Trump lost in elections where republican governors and congressional candidates and senators won. If this were a democratic conspiracy, and it's not, then that wouldn't have happened because they would have taken those seats too. Trump is a loser, he's always been a loser, and he barely won his first election. It's much more reasonable to believe that the majority of Americans were sick of his bullshit.

You might want to seek out therapy for your issues.


Fitzgeraldfan7193829 t1_iuahd76 wrote

Are you aware you are consuming biased media?


scotticusphd t1_iuai9he wrote

Yes. All sources have bias. Even media companies with strong right-wing bias have accepted that Trump lost fair and square.

Are you aware that you're consuming media without fact checking or editorial standards?

There's a huge difference between having a difference of opinion about the relevance of facts and making up facts without fact-checking them.


Fitzgeraldfan7193829 t1_iuaijb0 wrote

The only conspiracy here is that you believe literally everything the elite want you to.

Listen, i don’t think you’re necessarily an idiot, but right now, you’re certainly acting like one.


scotticusphd t1_iuari2o wrote

You don't think Donald Trump is elite? Rudolph Giuliani? These are elites by any measure of the word and you believe them. Why?

By most measures my education makes me elite and I, too, have looked into these allegations of voter fraud and everything that I looked into was baseless.

I don't think you're necessarily unhinged from reality but...


Fitzgeraldfan7193829 t1_iuax7gi wrote

If they were really elite, then they wouldn’t have been ostracized by the other elites.

You have been brainwashed by what you’ve seen in the media so hard you’re incapable of reading the evidence presented to you. If you were a rational person, you’d say “wow, I was wrong.”


scotticusphd t1_iuazaqm wrote

You have some odd ideas about how you think "elites" work. What's more elite than being a billionaire whose daddy bought his way into Wharton? I'm nowhere near as elite as Trump, yet I know people who are more elite than me who have been ostracized for their bad behavior.

Trump was ostracized because he bragged about grabbing women by the pussy without permission. He was ostracized in NY circles for being a slumlord and failing to pay people who do work for him. He was ostracized in political circles for race-baiting and shitting on everyone who disagrees with him. He was ostracized by the media for calling them the enemy whenever they asked him hard questions. He had more turnover in his cabinet than any other modern administration and more successful prosecutions for perjury as well.

You can't behave like an asshole, regardless of how elite you are, and expect to not get kicked out of the club. You can't behave that way as a normal person and expect to keep your friends, so it's just funny to me that you choose to believe someone who has shown such a poor lack of emotional control and moral character over anyone else.

It's a very strange choice to make and it makes me wonder how many friends you actually have, if this is the type of person you look up to.


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scotticusphd t1_iub7y4g wrote

I understand what an elite is, but I think it's funny that you somehow don't think Donald Trump is one of them. Trusting him, in the face of his documented lies, is insane.


Fitzgeraldfan7193829 t1_iub89va wrote

All evidence points to Donald Trump running a campaign against these elites, and then them turning on him, and because (they) control the media and you listen to the media, you hate Trump.

Why do you think literally every single objectively elite person is/was against Donald Trump?

I’m trying to spell this out for you. I don’t know why I’m doing this. You’re objectively wrong, but you’re unintelligent, so you can’t see it.


scotticusphd t1_iub95lp wrote

>Why do you think literally every single objectively elite person is/was against Donald Trump?

Because he's been recorded talking about sexually assaulting women, amongst many other reasons. I personally don't associate myself with people who behave that way and elite people, likewise, often choose to avoid people who treat others that way.

You can take your condensation and shove it. Welcome to my blocked list.


HectorsMascara t1_iu7n7nm wrote

I responded to a question about 'Dems' not about Hillary Clinton. Regardless, not sure of the specific context of the claims of illegitimacy in your video, but Trump was surely aided by Putin, an enemy of the US.


Reynard1981 t1_iu7kfnl wrote

They already are. Clinton is already predicting the future about how this and the presidential election will be “fraudulent”.


oldschoolskater OP t1_iu4uv6l wrote

“It’s really important for us to get accurate information about the election process in Pennsylvania,” Chapman said. “So voters and the public know that when there are delays in counting, it doesn’t mean that there’s anything nefarious happening. It’s just what the law is in Pennsylvania.”


ROTLA t1_iu53fj2 wrote

Republicans are already signaling they’re going to interfere.


oldschoolskater OP t1_iu542z3 wrote

One thing that's guaranteed is whichever party loses is going to complain, but they'll have to thread the needle if we end up with Shapiro and Oz.


ROTLA t1_iu54k34 wrote

There’s a difference been complaining and preemptively questioning election results. Republicans don’t have the fine motor skills and opposable thumbs to thread the needle.


breadonbread3000 t1_iu9rgwd wrote

It's gods will if they win if they loose its the devil's / antifa work.


scotticusphd t1_iuaeivs wrote

Threading is hard, but somehow they manage to beat police with flag poles.


MetaphysicalMayhem t1_iu59324 wrote

I don’t think we anti-“MAGA Republican authoritarian semi-fascists and conspiracy theorists” will “complain.” We’ll just be deeply sad for PA and the country. And personally, I’ll take my portable professional income and tax dollars to the People’s Republic of California, which is doing so badly (according to the MAGAverse) that it’s about to overtake Germany as the fourth biggest economy in the world. Let PA become the land of bitter, victimized, aging and old MAGAs. It’s too bad, because it sure is pretty here.


AstronautButter20 t1_iu75fwd wrote

I moved to CA for business a while back.

You'd be a moron to do the same.


MetaphysicalMayhem t1_iu7aqp3 wrote

Nah. I’m there all the time on business, from San Diego to San Francisco and in-between. I know exactly what I’m getting into, and it’s awesome. MAGAts morons can have PA. My kid who just got a CS degree from CMU is moving to CO. Sure, taxes are higher and real estate is more expensive in CA, but I can increase my hourly rate accordingly. That’s the price of prosperity. And it’s still where the world’s best and brightest congregate.


boomerinvest t1_iu805vp wrote

Funny you mention those 2 because the other day I was saying the same thing on who we’re going to end up with.


Thecrawsome t1_iu8iso4 wrote

This is so much more substantial than their false fraud claims. They're literally conspiring to take away people's votes arbitrarily.

The stuff should be met with lawsuits and with severe aggression. They're breaking our democracy to win elections


MandoFett123456 t1_iu5ghsp wrote

Don’t let these goons take away your right to vote. Early voting is open. Do it now and don’t delay. Take your family and friends with you!


ya_but_ t1_iu6q1s9 wrote

This. Text a few friends, take a few friends.
Especially the young voters!!

If we all did that....


Fitzgeraldfan7193829 t1_iu7eii9 wrote

Convinced my entire friend group (15 people!) to vote straight R ticket!


ya_but_ t1_iuj580f wrote

I admire your dedication, although you are on the wrong team ;)

Hope (D) voters have the same drive.


Thecrawsome t1_iu8iom1 wrote

Meanwhile GOP are only trying to let them count it for one day.

Can't let the GOP have their way and steal votes.

Remember they want to count every ballot when there's GOP votes left but they want to stop the count when there's Democrat votes left.


CostofRepairs t1_iu793qq wrote



HectorsMascara t1_iu7cqdk wrote

Same reason as always.

> There will possibly be a delay in reporting election results given that Pennsylvania does not allow pre-canvassing of mail-in ballots

If you click on the blue 'witf' below the headline, you'll see many more words on the topic.


bignick222 t1_iu8we8p wrote

Don’t they realize with want our burgers now hahahaha


bignick222 t1_iu8wsjb wrote

Trump will always be illegitimate


ronreadingpa t1_iu6saaj wrote

I'm still waiting on my mail-in ballot, which I applied for back on Oct-10th. Berks County accepted my application about a week afterwards, but no notice saying it's been mailed. Could be a one-off or maybe many others are experiencing the same thing. So not only will counts be delayed, but some votes will never be counted due to ballot mailing issues.

There needs to be more state-wide coordination of the entire voting process. Counting should start early on voting day (or even slightly before that, such as 8 pm Monday) not after election night.


jdi000 t1_iuabnzj wrote

Why not start with the basics, like polling places actually checking id's.


Reynard1981 t1_iu7kabv wrote

They weren’t “typical” before the 2020 election. Now it’s (D)ifferent? How about we stop these mass mail in votes and end counting on Election Day! It’s not election week or month.


MrsP81405 t1_iu8v9wa wrote

So my daughter in college shouldn't be allowed to vote? My oldest in the military and stationed outside of the state shouldn't be allowed to vote? My elderly in laws who are traveling to see a dying friend shouldn't be allowed to vote?


Reynard1981 t1_iub9pl1 wrote

If they’re total dumbasses who put their feelings over polity, no!


MortimerDongle t1_iu90g2c wrote

Why is it a problem if it takes a few days to count?

Or, you know, we could just let officials count the ballots as they arrive.


Reynard1981 t1_iub9u5c wrote

It’s called Election Day, not election week or month. We never took several days to count votes until the last election. 2020 is enough proof as to why it’s a problem.


Woodyee101 t1_iu5we24 wrote

Dems are already signaling they are going to interfere


GayMarijuanaAbortion t1_iu63g56 wrote

Is projection even stronger than ignorance for the right these days? It's getting hard to tell.