Submitted by thedragonsleeps t3_z7v2df in Pennsylvania
pa_bourbon t1_iybd87n wrote
Reply to comment by Ham_Ahoy in I’m having issues getting my REAL ID license…please help? by thedragonsleeps
The feds applied one set of rules to what could be considered a real ID. States that didn’t qualify were required to tighten up the process and require more documentation to get the license. All this means is that Floridians already had a higher bar to getting a license than PA residents did prior to the real ID act.
It’s not the grand conspiracy you think it is.
Ham_Ahoy t1_iycgc8k wrote
I don't think of this as a conspiracy. I just don't like living in a world where the fed refuses to accept what my commonwealth approved as a safe, secure ID card. Pennsylvania is just as valid as any other state and we should be treated as such. I hope you like the taste of boots.
pa_bourbon t1_iycgmhp wrote
Of course. Go to the boot licking conspiracy bullshit. If you don’t like the requirements, then don’t get an ID that has the stronger requirements and don’t participate in the aspects of society that require the more stringent identification (federal buildings, airports, etc).
Oh wait, you advocated for passports and were fine with those even though getting a passport has the same ID requirements as a real ID license. So you just want to bitch. Got it.
Feds flow laws and requirements down. Not the other way around. You have a fundamentally flawed view of the way our system works too.
susinpgh t1_iycvo1l wrote
TBH, I think the Real ID federal requirements are bullshit. It cost me >$75 to get the paperwork together for Real ID; I had to for my job so that I could travel. But for some low-income individuals, this can be a real burden. So they can't get into a federal building to conduct necessary business? That's hardly equitable.
Ham_Ahoy t1_iycxs7f wrote
Passports are roughly the same cost with better benefits.
pa_bourbon t1_iycxfl2 wrote
There is a program in PA to get a free ID.
https://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/DVSPubsForms/BDL/BDL%20Fact%20Sheets/FS-HomelessID.pdf
It does say that the $30 real ID fee cannot be waived though. I suspect that has something to do with the checks and verifications that happen that require system fees to process.
It’s not perfect but the federal government has decided that certain federal activities require an ID that has tougher standards to obtain. The alternate choice is to not participate in those activities. The federal law has been in place since 2005. Pennsylvania was one of the last states to hold out. That’s because the Republicans that ran the state legislature through that time were all grand conspiracy theorists.
The other poster that I replied to said Florida IDs comply. That’s because even bat shit crazy conspiracy Florida land decided to comply with the law in the period while Pennsylvania was still holding out since 2005.
susinpgh t1_iycydkl wrote
It cost me money to get my birth certificate and marriage license from out of state. The program you mention is only for the homeless.
My point is that it is a bullshit law imposed by the federal government and that it is inequitable, placing an undue burden on low income citizens.
Ham_Ahoy t1_iycxqg3 wrote
Yes. Get a passport. It's fine. Anyone trying to tell Pennamites their ID doesn't qualify as REAL ID needs to be put in their place. That requirement seems neither necessary nor proper to me. I don't know what YOUR views are on the elastic clause but I have a idea. Nice job, shill.
pa_bourbon t1_iyd0wv7 wrote
Prior to the enactment of the PA real ID the PA license didn’t qualify under the federal guidelines. You don’t make those rules and requirements - the feds did. Tough shit. Adults make decisions. Sometimes life isn’t fair.
The law has been in place since 2005. PA just chose to drag their feet since then because the republican legislature had its head up its ass and decided to be one of the last holdouts.
Even conspiracy theory haven Florida complied.
Ham_Ahoy t1_iyd520u wrote
Oh get your head out o Carrie del rossios ass and grow a spine.
pa_bourbon t1_iyd6tua wrote
While the children sit in the corner and kick and scream about the rules that the rest of us operate under, the adults will continue functioning as a normal society and move forward.
How well did that approach work in the last election? Everyone living within the grand conspiracy theory seems to have lost. The country is moving on. You can continue to sit off on the side and be left behind if you’d like.
Since you’ve run out of points and are only left with insults, I guess we’re done here. Not surprising.
Ham_Ahoy t1_iydhon8 wrote
I'm advocating getting a passport (from the federal government) that provides MUCH more benefits at roughly the same cost as a "real id," something that is nothing more than a scam, disenfranchising good Pennamites by the strong arm of the federal government. It is a feckless, absurd, unnecessary identification card. You are advocating what exactly? Less power at a local level? Get a grip, buddy.
pa_bourbon t1_iydjjre wrote
I have both. I have a passport (both the book and the card) for international travel and a real ID drivers license. The drivers license is a hell of a lot easier to carry in your wallet and much more convenient for domestic air travel. TSA now inserts drivers licenses into an electronic reader for an instant ID check at domestic airports without needing to scan a boarding pass. Passports take longer in that process. I fly 100+ flights a year. Convenience trumps the conspiracy shit and the fact that you are saddened that the standard PA license doesn’t meet the security rules to participate fully in society.
Convenience is also the reason I have the passport card. Way easier at driving borders into Canada. I even gave the feds my iris scan and prints to get global entry due to extensive international trips. The convenience is worth it. I’m not hiding from anyone or fearful of enrolling in those programs - the convenience more than outweighs the non-existent risk. Never once has a black van full of government operatives showed up at the house either.
Before you get excited, that’s trump with a small “t” used as a verb. I wasn’t referring to the orange dipshit from Florida.
Ham_Ahoy t1_iydls4d wrote
I'm sure you'll be happy to eat the bugs, too. What a loser. You gave your iris scan to the Federal government for a modicum of convenience? No wonder my ID is worthless with shills like you walking around.
pa_bourbon t1_iydmij2 wrote
WTF bugs are you talking about? That modicum of convenience saves hours of my life waiting in line at JFK after international trips (I did 12 this year alone). I waltz thru immigration and customs while the conspiracy nuts and stupid people stand in the one line they leave open for the people that live in the past.
My time is too valuable for that shit.
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