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Huldati t1_ixzximi wrote

I recommend the healthcare systems lose their nonprofit status. Or they actually start acting like nonprofits and PA holds their feet to the fire.

But don't mind me, I'll just continue to drink my tea.

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Squashey t1_iy1dyp4 wrote

Their nonprofit status might not seem great, but research the alternative of corporate lead private equity backed healthcare companies.

Not a great alternative which is playing out across the country right now not exactly to the benefit of patients.

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miscnic t1_iy18vow wrote

Um, no. For profit healthcare is the devil.

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AbsentEmpire t1_iy07k4l wrote

>The expansion of large medical systems into suburban areas steers patients into these larger systems, eliminating competition with smaller health care organizations. Without that competition, costs will increase, critics maintain.

Its a complex situation but the reality is that healthcare centralization has been underway for almost two decades now.

The smaller suburban systems have been going bankrupt for years. The rural systems have almost completely ceased to exist.

Many of them have been bought up by private for profit systems, which is really just the acceleration of the death spiral for a health system before its closed and sold off.

The expansion of large medical systems with outpatient services that funnel patients into thier central hospitals for advanced procedures, is really the only way that many suburbs are going have health systems at all in the future, as smaller ones continue to be unable to cover costs.

The idea that a free market exists in health care, and that price competition between hospitals is even a thing, is a conservative fever dream. It's never existed in practice.

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Der_Missionar OP t1_iy0a0p0 wrote

My friend is a doctor, and had his own practice, the problem he faced was that UPMC insurance wouldn't cover his practice, and essentially forced him into joining UPMC.

He was going under BECAUSE UPMC insurance wouldn't cover his practice. After it was clear he had no way of staying in business UPMC "graciously" offered to buy him out.

Several friends in this situation.

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pa_bourbon t1_iy0s2av wrote

There is one additional complexity. PA has not passed tort reform for medical malpractice. As a result, awards are basically unlimited and up to jury discretion.

That makes malpractice insurance for private practices VERY expensive. Large conglomerates like UPMC and AHN pool the risk and may even self insure to some degree.

Local doctors just can’t afford it. I have a buddy that was a urologist. He was paying over 750K a year for malpractice insurance in PA for a 5 doctor private practice group almost 10 years ago. He moved to a midwestern state that had reasonable tort reform in place and paid $400K for a 7 doctor private practice in the same field.

Those malpractice insurance costs are driving a lot of doctors to sell.

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AbsentEmpire t1_iya320b wrote

Why would UPMC insurance cover practices they don't own?

It's a smart business move by them to consolidate the market to themselves if they want to be around and offering advanced procedures in another decade.

This is the inevitable outcome of having health policy that pretends that a free market can exist in the health care industry.

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Der_Missionar OP t1_iya9asx wrote

It's actually VERY NEW to have an insurance company OWN the hospitals and the doctors offices. Up until a few years ago, this never happened.
Insurance was insurance, hospitals and doctors were hospitals and doctors. Now it's all intermingled. So... That's an ongoing discussion in the government. Don't you remember the BIG TODO with UPMC refusing to cover anything in Allegheny Health Network?

This is the stuff of anti-trust lawsuits going on right now.

So, yeah, insurance never owned the doctors offices and hospitals before.

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[deleted] t1_iy21tlw wrote

Also, with abortion basically criminalized in WV and OH now, PA will see an influx of patients. Not just for abortion services but many obstetricians and obgyns are retiring early or leaving those states making it harder to get appointments. There will be a spill over into western PA for sure

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PPQue6 t1_iy0ktzn wrote

Gee I'm so glad we as a society have decided that healthcare should be a for profit institution!!!

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ufuknow t1_iy1heyy wrote

I’m all for single payer

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zorionek0 t1_iy6oqxv wrote

Everyone supports single payer except for Brian, 33, the designated single payer.

“I’m just saying maybe we should consider some other options!” - Brian

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Sprussel_Brouts t1_iy2rxd5 wrote

Why are they building new hospitals when they don't properly staff the ones they have?

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internetcommunist t1_iy3j3o1 wrote

Health care is a human right. Fuck a system that values profits more than human life. Tear it all the fuck down

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Entire_Ad_306 t1_iy3ikkw wrote

They keep building more outpatient clinics and shit on the east too. Every time I see construction I assume it’s a overpriced “luxury” apartment complex or a clinic I can’t afford because I can’t afford insurance

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