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M4053946 t1_iuyn25p wrote

"They claim she pushed her own agenda on students, told children their parents could be wrong about their gender, implied their parents might be lying and urged children to keep gender discussions secret from their parents."... The district is saying "The complaint filed against the district, its board and employees contains various allegations that are untrue or based on partial truths that mischaracterize events for sensational effect"

We'll see what is held up in court, if the former then that teacher should lose their license and be out of a job.

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_iv0j7d3 wrote

Why say “if the former” like that is the more likely?

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M4053946 t1_iv0lioo wrote

Because it's s important not to be like most of Reddit and advocate for mob rule and for the cancellation of people without evidence. Yes, the teacher likely did this with admin knowledge, but they should still get their day in court before being fired.

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_iv0pkm4 wrote

Why do you assume she likely tried to indoctrinate (with admin knowledge)?

I doubt that. Sounds more like phobic reaction.

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BearPhilly t1_iuz3h5d wrote

Why do they want to teach this to 6 year Olds so badly? Very strange.

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Sovereign2142 t1_iv06elm wrote

In the judge's opinion, it said that the teacher was the mother of a transgender child who was also in the first grade that year (although it sounds like at a different school). It's quite likely that her own motherly experience was the overriding factor in choosing to instruct other first-graders about people like her child.

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[deleted] t1_iv0ywqo wrote

Keep in mind the source posted is Fox News. There's gonna be some jumps and exaggerations made compared to whatever is really going on. I highly doubt there's school approved curriculum on the topic at that age. Could be a case of a teacher going into business for herself.

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_iv0iur6 wrote

There are 6 year olds who for about 3 or 4 years have desperately wished they were born as a different gender.

My niece’s child (now 14) has a penis but has chosen a feminie name and has worn pink since being old enough to choose clothes and carried Elsa everywhere and got angry when people gave trucks as presents.

The teacher may have only been trying to reduce prejudice and prevent ridicule against such a child, not to convert anyone. Just teaching acceptance and open mind if a student doesn’t fit the binary norm.

Why do people use the word teaching about this topic - it wasn’t like she would have been teaching them to be trans. I think it’s most likely She’s just teaching them not to be mean. Why jump to the conclusion the teacher was trying to convert? That’s the weird part.

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Odd_Description_2295 t1_iv0zgvi wrote

No one on this sub has ever known a transgender person.

If they had, they would actually understand that people are born knowing that they are TG.

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Shadedblood OP t1_iuypsw8 wrote

My kids can identify or be what ever they want, I don't need them thinking about anything but academics until they are at least in puberty... got it I'm the bad guy.

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_iv0jo2l wrote

Acceptance (not ridicule) of another student who may sound male but dress in pink is part of mutual respect. The teacher is responsible for mutual respect.

For you to think she is teaching sexual acts is a weird take.

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MysticRow24 t1_iuz1nel wrote

Don't know why you're getting down-voted. First-graders and other elementary students of the sort simply aren't old enough to be thinking about these kinds of decisions. They have not matured enough to think rationally, and could likely to make decisions they will come to regret later in their life. There is a reason we do not give our children full autonomy. We don't need to make children feel like they are struggling with their sexual identity when they really aren't even close to the stage of development where they would actually be afflicted with these feelings.

On the other hand, teaching our youth to be tolerant and respectful to others, regardless of certain characteristics is perfectly okay. There is a fine line between indoctrination and education.

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_iv0jton wrote

Beautifully stated.

Can we please not assume this was a case of indoctrination? Lets give this teacher respect and the benefit of the doubt.

We don’t know that she was prompting them to decide. She was likely only teaching tolerance.

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Shadedblood OP t1_iuz2xpz wrote

Exactly, that's my point. Im not against anything, my daughters are too young to be learning about these things. It's ok to teach about basics like we were taught throughout late elementary or middle school, but save this for high-school age adolescents.

I raise my kids to be respectful of everyone and anyone for there standings and beliefs. There not mature enough to understand. I don't want my kids saying they identify as a fox or something silly and then believing it.

I see too many 18yr Olds entering the workforce with crazy ideas on what they say they are... i think they think it's a joke.

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MysticRow24 t1_iuz60wl wrote

Also, I support your open-mindedness to this subject, as it's certainly not an easy one. Just remember at the end of the day, we are all human, and we all have ideals for the future. My philosophy is that: so long as you aren't hurting anyone or anything, you're welcome to walk this Earth however you'd like to.

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MysticRow24 t1_iuz511a wrote

Everybody certainly feels different about the existence of neo-pronouns and certain identifiers of the sort, but those people are definitely a minority when it comes to self-expression. Especially from a perspective of conventional societal gender norms and stereotypes, it can be confusing to witness from an outsider's point-of-view, but you needn't worry too much about your children. So long as you accept your children for who they are, and teach them what you believe is proper etiquette, they should end up fine.

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Shadedblood OP t1_iuyj95b wrote

I think this is ridiculous, I'm for schools teaching 100% I don't think they have any right to push this crap. I'm not phobia of anything. I just don't want school pushing this crap on my kids, I think most of this identifying as something shit has alot to do with schools now.

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PensiveLog t1_iuymju1 wrote

Weird, that’s the same crap people were saying about gay people in the 80s…

Gotta marginalize someone, right?

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_iv0jh0o wrote

“Push this”. That’s a huge assumption.

I doubt this teacher was trying to push anyone to be different than who they are. I think the only thing she may have pushed was acceptance of people who don’t fit the binary norm. There are students in elementary school who don’t fit the binary - one of my relatives.

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M4053946 t1_iv0mmsh wrote

> There are students in elementary school who don’t fit the binary

A lot of kids don't "fit the binary". Not all boys like football. Not all girls like to wear dresses or play with dolls. That doesn't mean that it's the right answer to tell elementary school kids that that their parents are wrong or lying, that they need to keep secrets from their parents, or to otherwise push the new definitions of "gender" that didn't exist until a couple years ago.

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susinpgh t1_iv0pmmx wrote

Kids have been physically assaulted and thrown out of their homes for admitting that they are gay. They've been sent to conversion camps. Sometimes, it's for the protection of the child that the parent not be informed about a child questioning their gender.

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M4053946 t1_iv0pwii wrote

We're talking about first grade.

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susinpgh t1_iv0rtk8 wrote

If a child's first person to confide in is their teacher, what do you think their home life is like? Obviously, they don't trust their parents. Do you think that it wouldn't happen to a young child?

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M4053946 t1_iv0ukmh wrote

You're making an assumption not provided by this story. Again, it will be interesting to see what facts are actually supported in court, but until we know, let's not just make up things to drive an agenda.

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Unique-Public-8594 t1_iv0ppyh wrote

I don’t believe the teacher did that. These claims are more likely right wing extremists making noise as they like to do.

This is Fox News. Fox News has admitted they like to stir the pot with false info. Why? For ratings. For money. Divisive politics. Hatred. For money.

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