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LilDutchy t1_iv0amec wrote

TLDR: if you make someone uncomfortable doing it, you’re loitering. If they call the cops and you refuse to to leave, you’re going to jail for disturbing the peace.

§ 6-202 Conduct Prohibited. [Ord. 996-7, 6/14/1999] 1. It shall be unlawful for an individual or for groups of two or more persons, regardless of age, to congregate on or in streets, parks, public or private buildings, places of amusement or public or private places to which the owner or tenant has not given consent in the Borough of Red Lion at any time if those persons are causing alarm, danger, or discomfort to the inhabitants of the Borough or users of Borough thoroughfares or sidewalks, public parks and public or private places or buildings by creating a breach of the peace or a danger of the breach of the peace, the obstruction of pedestrians or vehicles, any disturbance or alarm to the comfort or repose of any person, or the obstruction, harassment or interference of any person lawfully in any such street, park, public or private building, place of amusement or public or private place or sidewalk. This section shall be in addition to other conduct prohibited elsewhere in this Code of Ordinances and in Chapter 55 of the Pennsylvania Crimes Code, 18 Pa.C.S.A. § 5501 et seq. and, specifically, § 5503 (disorderly conduct), § 5505 (public drunkenness) and § 5507 (obstructing highways and other public passages). This conduct shall not prevent or prohibit the congregation of two or more persons for purposes of lawful assembly or for purposes otherwise protected by the Constitutions of the United States of America and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania or to prohibit peaceful picketing in the case of labor disputes or in the exercise of the constitutional right of assembly so long as such activity does not otherwise constitute a breach of this section.

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Wellsem20 OP t1_iv0asyw wrote

But it’s at my house, I am a tenant..

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LilDutchy t1_iv0j5vc wrote

It sounds like you’re parked in a shared lot? Are you a minor? If not are you on the lease? If not, you’re not a tenant. At best you’re a guest and at worst an illegal occupant. In either case (legally a tenant or a guest) if the landlord says no, don’t. If they hear from another tenant about loitering and decide to call the cops, do you want to be the test case?

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PensiveLog t1_iv0kcgw wrote

Your neighborhood have an HOA? If so, then you can definitely be hit with loitering in your own driveway.

Also, you’re just sitting in a car for multiple hours. Townhouses are generally packed neighborhoods, so you got a lot of neighbors who can see you. They don’t know you aren’t watching their place to rob it later, they don’t know that you aren’t stalking people, they don’t know you aren’t waiting for someone to leave their home so you can attack them. This can maybe be chalked up to paranoia on their part.

Back in my retail manager days, there was a Uber driver who would hang out in my parking lot while waiting for notifications. Totally innocent, not up to anything weird. But we didn’t know what he was doing. He did this for a few days before it was brought to my attention. All of my female staff felt uncomfortable walking past his car, because they had no idea what this dude was about. I went out and talked to him, he felt awful about his unintended effect, and he started parking somewhere else.

The point is, you’re creeping people out. That’s obviously not your intent, but it’s what you’re doing. I get that it’s annoying, and that you aren’t doing anything wrong. But the solution is to either go door to door and let people know you’re just hanging out, and that you’re sorry you worried them, or go park somewhere else to hang.

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Grashopha t1_iv0hh29 wrote

I don’t see how you could be charged with loitering on your own property. Disturbing the peace maybe, depending on the situation? But sitting on your own property, be it in your car, in your house, on your grass, shouldn’t make a difference.

Edit: If you’re renting, check the lease! Some landlords set stipulations about this kind of stuff.

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