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Sunni_tzu t1_iykyz6d wrote

This just makes having probable cause a lot easier.

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somberblurb t1_iyl0d19 wrote

Just like "park closes at dusk."

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Psychedelic_Eyeball t1_iymj32y wrote

"City closes at dusk" lol

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giantcucumbergrower t1_izbrlpe wrote

Oh so like a Sundown Town

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Proper-Mirror-5397 t1_iyo1h6g wrote

No minors in philly were ransacking stores night after night and breaking into trailers and shit

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p_britt35 t1_iykw4s0 wrote

So an already over-worked and pissed-off police department is now gonna worry about kids? Nah.....more like if a juvy commits a crime after hours they could tack this on.

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underwear11 t1_iyl97g1 wrote

More like if someone that looks like they might be a juvy is out after 10pm they have probable cause to harass them.

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SamuelDoctor t1_iym6zd7 wrote

I'm curious to see whether and to what extent such a measure might impact violent crime. If this succeeds, Tucker Carlson will talk about it until he is in the dirt.

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Hib3rnian t1_iymd59q wrote

It won't. But it looks good on paper and makes city council appear as if they're "doing something".

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KingGranticus t1_iyn854u wrote

What it'll actually do is make it look like crime is up since they'll be detaining more people for this and then slapping charges on top of that when without a permanent curfew these kids never would have been stopped in the first place

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SamuelDoctor t1_iynb1j1 wrote

If violent crime goes down, that is the only stat which will matter.

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KingGranticus t1_iynbbmw wrote

No I'm saying it won't even do that. It'll inflate those numbers too. And that's what ghouls like Tucker Carlson want because that will fuel calls to bloat our police budget even more, so they arrest more people, so crime stats are up, so they get more funding, and you get the idea.

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SamuelDoctor t1_iyngq04 wrote

That's a distinct possibility, but you have to wonder, if the outcome is so obvious, why would the city council approve such a measure? Personally I think that there's still a lot to be learned about what kind of policing is actually effective these days. I understand that the research doesn't necessarily insist that any one approach has been proven best. Broken windows, community policing, and everything in-between have their advocates among serious criminologists.

It may well be the case that for this specific moment in the history of urban America, these kinds of curfews give police an opportunity to keep order. Obviously that may result in civil friction, especially where regular people get swept up in the drag net, but I've heard serious people start to wonder what ought to be done if these kinds of tactics won't work.

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nalgene_wilder t1_iym9oir wrote

>More like if someone that looks like they might be a juvy minority is out after 10pm they have probable cause to harass them. Ftfy

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tracksuitaficionado t1_iyman4k wrote

Oh no they might have to put their phones down and get out of their cars???? The horror

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cjd5286 t1_iynatim wrote

Buddy I have a bridge to sell you if you think the PPD has been working hard.

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NewYork_607 t1_iyl3mel wrote

Man, I was about to do some wild shit but oh oh, the curfew just started. Man that sucks. Maybe tomorrow before 11 PM I will do some wild shit. Lol

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ksquad80 t1_iyozy4j wrote

I got my gun in this back alley basement in Chinatown. It only works when I load after midnight and sprinkle a little water on there.

It's all over for me.

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Grumpicake t1_iym9w5i wrote

Now I don’t live in Philly, but I feel like literally no one would ever respect this.

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IndependentCode8743 t1_iymn5yj wrote

Curfew has been ignored for decades. Also there is no punishment, so kids/parents aren’t going to care one bit…

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calicoskiies t1_iyogsc4 wrote

No one does & literally no one cares. We got bigger fish to fry.

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MrMcFunStuff t1_iym08mt wrote

Wouldn’t the cops have to do their jobs for this to matter?

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spiderghouls t1_iym5z9o wrote

if you're gonna be out just steer clear of Dunkin donuts

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IndependentCode8743 t1_iymndmu wrote

Wouldn’t there need to be some sort of punishment for the kids and their parents for this to matter? I mean taking the kid to an after hours center to play Xbox while waiting for their parents to come get them isn’t really an incentive to not roam the streets at night….

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chefmarksamson t1_iymzecw wrote

The point isn’t to punish kids. The point is to give cops probable cause to harass, search, and/or detain anybody they don’t like the look of after 10:00. Curfews are basically stop and frisk by a different name.

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IndependentCode8743 t1_iyn89vp wrote

I disagree. This is the same city council that passed a bill that prevents cops from pulling cars over for minor infractions such as expired tags because in their view it gave cops probable cause to harass black folks.

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giantcucumbergrower t1_izbs88l wrote

Either way this new law that is unrelated to expired tags lets cops literally stop anyone they want demanding proof of age

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ufuknow t1_iykx61b wrote

Why ?

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hostile_rep t1_iymela6 wrote

To make the police state more secure and protect people from Skittles.

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mjsisko OP t1_iyktrf3 wrote

Not sure how this will be enforced or if it will pass legal muster but something needs to be done in Philly.

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tubesweaterguru t1_iyky0ge wrote

Something needs to be done, but this ain’t it.

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mjsisko OP t1_iyluoja wrote

Op works and flies out of Philly often. OP travels a lot and sees Philly at all hours of the day. OP is also a voter in the state and cares what happens in other places.

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boomerinvest t1_iyl7igm wrote

Yeah riiiight! This will only be a thing if a Juvy gets in trouble with the law. They’ll add breaking curfew.

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MunchyMcCrunchy t1_iym70od wrote

Are they going to hire a few thousand curfew officers?

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GoofWisdom t1_iynf36d wrote

Philly trying to improve the school to prison pipeline with a fresh take on stop and frisk? This sounds like a shit show waiting to happen.

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IndependentCode8743 t1_iymn0kz wrote

What a joke… there are numerous studies that this does nothing to reduce juvenile crime nor crimes against juveniles. The police have much bigger problems to worry about…

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ilovelovegrapefruit t1_iynrqkm wrote

I'm from Philadelphia and the curfew was 11:00 when I was younger. I'm 35 now. The cops didn't "harass" us if we were out past midnight, but they did stop us and ask us where we were going/what we were doing and tell us to go home. I don't consider that harassment. As a teenager that was annoying, and we often ran from the cops if we heard or saw them coming. Sometimes we would get these yellow slips sent to the house stating we were out past curfew. We were never detained. A few times we were taken to the district to have a family member pick us up, and it was because it was around 3am/4am and we were far from home (30-60 mins walking), and were usually drinking. We sat in regular chairs and waited for a family member. Most kids will probably ignore the new 10pm curfew too. The solution starts at home. Parents need to be held accountable. But if that happens people will complain about that too. I'm just not sure what some of these comments are. Very dramatic.

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ImaginaryTaste3174 t1_iypt31f wrote

I grew up in Philadelphia. I thought there was a curfew for under 14 or 16 at 10:00 p.m. I don't think this will change anything. Every time I buy alcohol beer wine hard liquor they swipe my ID and I'm 68.

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Fantastic_Mouse_7469 t1_iymgl56 wrote

Something must be done as long as the police don't have the ability to abuse their power and God forbid, enforce the law.

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spiderghouls t1_iym6efx wrote

I mean... What's the difference? Kids shouldn't be out all night. Id be more worried if this was for everyone but if parents and communities aren't going to take care of their kids then the government has to step in.

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Entire_Ad_306 t1_iymlel6 wrote

What if they have to work and are just walking home after closing? They don’t deserve to be stopped

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IndependentCode8743 t1_iymnop0 wrote

There is an exception for work… but we don’t enforce curfew anyway and there is no fine or punishment. Just politicians being political (i.e., not solving a damn thing)

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Entire_Ad_306 t1_iymp1lb wrote

Yeah I see, but they can say almost anyone looks 17 to enforce stopping people for no reason. I was stopped years ago when I was 18 and they questioned the shit out of me. Fuck them.

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spiderghouls t1_iyn9gj9 wrote

I mean, fuck piggies, yeah. But also, fuck all these morons shooting everyone making people think we need more police and more fascist laws. It goes hand and hand. We have to prove to the government and to each other that we don't need them. There are still too many people who believe police actually protect them rather than property. If we make it more obvious that the blue line really is only there to separate the rich and the poor then we can make a better defined argument but we have to do better as a community first.

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VampyrDarling t1_iyok9fj wrote

God forbid a couple of 17 year olds go out to a late night matinee.

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Risingdemon911 t1_iyl0krn wrote

you guys starting to realize the government thinks its your mommy/daddy..

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spiderghouls t1_iym5v8f wrote

Uhh yeah man this has been a problem for a long time. It doesn't help that the general population acts like children.

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Risingdemon911 t1_iympjv0 wrote

anyone who doesn't understand they have a personal responsibility to withdraw support from harmful institutions is a child..

that probably makes over 90% of the population..

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