Submitted by BengaliFloatzel t3_1014k17 in Pennsylvania

And I've gotta say it's probably the most beautiful US state I've been to. I'm Canadian and just returned from visiting family in Long Island. We weren't able to take the PA route on our way down since the blizzard shut down every Interstate near Buffalo so I didn't think much when I saw that I had to drive through Pennsylvania for almost 2 hours on Google Maps on the return. I've been to many states before and this was the first time I actually enjoyed driving on a highway in North America. The scenic beauty of the Appalachian Mountains and the morning fog were just stunning. The little towns right below the highways looked like Europe. It felt like a fantasy novel setting. I always heard PA was a bland, run-off-the-mill Northeastern state and expected it to be no different than Ontario, Michigan, and upstate NY but I could feel a real difference when I crossed the border lines. Much less Donny 2024 flags than Buffalo as well. It made me realize how flat and naturally boring most of NY and Southern Ontario were. The only complaint is that the roads are a little rough but I'm completely used to it. Ask any Canadian and they'll get what I mean. For reference, we drove through the northeast portion from Scranton to Susquehanna County.

I know this was super random and most of you probably don't care but I just had to say, you guys got a beautiful state. I think a lot of you underrate it.



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AFD_0 t1_j2lng3n wrote

> The only complaint is that the roads are a little rough but I'm completely used to it.

It is a beautiful state, but every time I'm coming home from a road trip in any direction, that's always my first thought - "How in the hell are our roads this bad compared to everyone else's?"

Whether coming from NY, OH, NJ, MD or WV, I always have the same immediate impression, which usually detracts from appreciating the otherwise beautiful scenery.

And having less political signs/flags cluttering up the landscape than Buffalo isn't exactly a compliment, but thanks? ;)


Alternative-Flan2869 t1_j2lva3o wrote

Once the mills died and the factories left, the environment was allowed to breathe again.


hypotenoos t1_j2lznot wrote

Don’t worry you were in a much more deeply red place than Buffalo even if you couldn’t see the signs.


Allemaengel t1_j2m8mgw wrote

Oh, we have our Trump supporters between Philly and Pittsburgh. Trust me living out in that scenic part that we do.


junebugreggae t1_j2m9t19 wrote

I have deep roots in western pa and I was struck by the same thought when I took 80 to get back to Pittsburgh a few years ago. We have an incredibly beautiful state!


TessySue2002 t1_j2mbww9 wrote

I’m from the Scranton area and it was nice to read something positive. Thanks for sharing :)


artificialavocado t1_j2mel2u wrote

We do care and we appreciate the compliment thank you. I’ve been saying for years that this state is a little bit of a hidden gem even if you aren’t the outdoors type. I grew up in the Appalachian Mountain. It’s obviously not some economic powerhouse but it’s not super poor like the rest of Appalachia.

Btw the roads thing is a common complaint almost a meme at this point.


--jawnday-- t1_j2mfwg1 wrote

Everyone crowds the beaches during the summer and somehow convince themselves that hanging out at a crowded beach is a good time, so you’re not really missing out on too much :)


Mor_Tearach t1_j2mk30d wrote

We have awful roads on purpose, like those rumble strips only backwards.

Keeps you awake ( KA thump ) AND playing Avoid the Pothole , both scientific methods of raising driver awareness.

That's my explanation anyway. It's better than the other one. Where tax dollars never seem to make it to infrastructure.


heeroguy t1_j2ml6kv wrote

i am assuming you have a nice comfy suv or something if you enjoyed driving on our roads lol, the sights are great. the roads are shit


nardlz t1_j2mnf1g wrote

I travel to the Midwest often and find Iowa/Indiana/Illinois to be the worst! It depends what route you take. I find central and western PA roads to be fine compared to eastern too.


worstatit t1_j2mrdhs wrote

Glad you liked it. Like anywhere, it is what you make of it. I enjoy my visits to Ontario, too.


theyeoftheiris t1_j2mrwup wrote

If you wanna see bad roads, go to Arkansas or Louisiana. Pennsylvania roads are pretty nice in comparison


Ct-5736-Bladez t1_j2mrxtn wrote

There’s a house right outside the Monterey pass battlefield (the battle where union troops and the confederates had a skrirmish while the rebels retreated from Gettysburg) in blue ridge summit that flies a confederate battle flag. Ironic


Professional_Dog5574 t1_j2mtsqr wrote

Central pa born and raised and thanks. Been alot of places this my favorite as far as outdoors and nature goes.


PGHNeil t1_j2mufbb wrote

To be honest, their experience with the outside world is typically from either military service from before they were financially independent or TV dramas. For them, Myrtle Beach SC is an exotic location to vacation.


Blu_Skies_In_My_Head t1_j2mun86 wrote

And the beauty you saw is just a taste of what’s there. There’s so much more that’s off-road, hidden on the tops of mountains and within the forests.


PGHNeil t1_j2muxop wrote

Irony is lost on them. People these days take themselves WAY too seriously and are always worried about being laughed at, so they dial up the crazy so that other people fear them instead.


dr_shark t1_j2mv56u wrote

Drive through the Rockies. This shit is wack.


Proper_Distribution1 t1_j2mzgxk wrote

I remember seeing a comic that showed a neighborhood road covered in potholes, and it had an average speed of 20 mph. Then they repaved the road and the average speed went up to 40 mph. Then people complained cars were going to fast so they installed speed bumps that brought the average speed back down to 20 mph.

Better to just keep the roads at a constant level of bad but not car destroying bad and it keeps roads at safe speed.

Our roads out here by Pittsburgh are pretty bad by the hills to the east. You just get used to it lol


trebordet t1_j2mzm9p wrote

If you have extra time Route 6 across the top of PA is worth the trip.


mason021 t1_j2n26kh wrote

Pa is incredibly beautiful, I also enjoy the northern/mid part of west Virginia going through the mountains. If you haven't gotten the chance, you owe it to yourself to check it out


Ok_Cantaloupe6189 t1_j2n2qe6 wrote

I annually drive from Ohio to NYC and back and I totally agree. Entering Ohio from PA is a helluva harsh contrast.


random071970 t1_j2n41e8 wrote

I go camping in Tioga every year and take US 15N to get there. Great scenic drive and I highly recommend it.


[deleted] t1_j2n4bnl wrote

If you love forested beauty, PA is top tier. Just as beautiful as New Hampshire. I’m not born and raised here though, but every time I drive somewhere I’m just floored at how green and pretty everything is.


mexicocitibluez t1_j2n6aj5 wrote

> . It made me realize how flat and naturally boring most of NY and Southern Ontario were.

Living here and traveling this is one of the first things I'm acutely aware of. Everywhere else is just so flat. Like "you can watch your dog run away for 2 weeks" feeling.


ell0bo t1_j2n6jiz wrote

Back in the 60s we paved a lot of roads, many of which should have been left as dirt. We've let a good few go, but still maintain more than we should. That's our problem.

Our economic centers are Philly and Pittsburgh, with some in the middle, but we spend a lot to maintain infrastructure in between.


DisplayNo146 t1_j2n8gxx wrote

I lived in Canada and now in NE Pa Thanks for saying this as the state gets a bad rap online by those who have never lived here


GruffWaffle835 t1_j2n9b1q wrote

I'm also someone who moved to PA in adulthood and am never looking back. Pennsylvania is such a beautiful state with unparalleled scenery and cities/towns and I fall more in love with it here every year. Plus we have the longest fall foliage season of any other state!


oodja t1_j2na5jt wrote

I grew up across the river from PA but never fully appreciated how beautiful it was until we moved here. With the rolling hills, rambling brooks, and ancient cottages dotting the landscape sometimes I feel like I'm driving through the Shire.


freshoilandstone t1_j2ncr4w wrote

Nowhere near the Grand Canyon. From Long Island likely either 80/380 or 84 to 81. Poconos, Scranton, Susquehanna County. I live in NEPA, and while it's pretty up here it's not as beautiful as most of the rest of the state.


artificialavocado t1_j2neby6 wrote

I get that at some point you have to say “is this really worth it” but that’s part of the problem. Public services shouldn’t be exclusive to whether you live somewhere that makes enough money or not. The road were supposed to be addressed years ago with such a high gasoline tax which everyone pays. They spent it on the state police instead. Almost $500 million IIRC. That’s a lot of new road.


AFirefighter11 t1_j2nfwb2 wrote

Thanks for the kind words on our State. That part of PA is pretty nice with all the different elevation changes if you like that sort of thing (I do). I also felt the same way you did when I was driving through Quebec heading to Mont Tremblant. Really beautiful area up that way.


tmaenadw t1_j2njdlj wrote

I agree. I moved here from Washington state, and we have a lot of amazing scenery, but we decided to move here after dropping my daughter off for med school and seeing how pretty it was. We took a leap and retired here, enjoying it so far.


prof_cunninglinguist t1_j2njtga wrote

I actually moved to NH from SE PA in my early 20s. Every bit of free time was spent up north in the White Mountains and the Great North Woods. But eventually I really came to miss the rolling hills and friendly people of Pennsylvania.


AlbrechtSchoenheiser t1_j2nlxup wrote

I agree with you, driving through Pennsylvania's mountains is very beautiful especially border to border on route 80. Having said that, I disagree with you about upstate new york. The Hudson River Valley is a very beautiful drive as are several other parts of New York with rolling Hills. I'm glad you enjoyed the drive and had a safe trip through our beautiful state.


james97go t1_j2nmzth wrote

If you ever get a chance to drive the east / west route 6 during the autumn when the fall colors abound you will experience one of the world's most beautiful drives.


GruffWaffle835 t1_j2npcdr wrote

I've lived in Lancaster and Philly (which is where I am currently). I adore both. Lancaster is an amazing small city (feels more like a big town) with beautiful buildings, artsy feel, unparalleled food market, and proximity to parks. I'd still be living there if there were enough job prospects for me (I do something relatively niche so don't let that deter you). That being said, I'm incredibly happy in Philly as well, and my partner and I bought a home here so we're settling in for the long haul. The greater Philly area has a lot to offer as far as variability depending on what you're looking for- you can obviously have a very urban feel if that's what you're after by living closer to center city, but there are some amazing suburbs with easy access downtown too if you want the best of both worlds. We absolutely love our neighborhood. We don't have kids yet though, so I can't give you too much advice there. Some of the public schools in Philly are top notch, and there's many charter and private options, if you prefer that and can afford it.


Manchu4-9INF t1_j2npgf3 wrote

I grew up mostly in Lycoming county. The state is very pretty. However the weather and majority of the towns are depressing. I moved away to wa and now nc. Every time I go back to visit I hate it. I get overwhelming depression. Great place to grow up but not stay. Just my opinion.


Manchu4-9INF t1_j2npnjq wrote

Pa does have bad roads. However after living in a he south. I must say SC has some of the worst roads I’ve ever experienced.


greenshirt21 t1_j2nshcb wrote

Northern California and Oregon and Washington is amazing. Think redwoods and rainforest


DebThornberry t1_j2nu0z9 wrote

Thank you! That's so nice I'm gonna give you my home in pennsylvania and I'll take yours. See ya later yinzers...I'm outta here!


GruffWaffle835 t1_j2nuo93 wrote

I can imagine! It's obviously like comparing apples to oranges, PA to Hawaii, but the Poconos are a stunning area. A member of my extended family had a cabin there when I was a kid that we'd get to go to from time to time and those are my favorite childhood memories, running around in the forest. I haven't gone back yet as an adult so I don't know what the schools/local resources/culture is like there (though I do think it tends to lean more Republican there, if that's a pro or con for you) but it's a beautiful neck of the Pennsylvania woods.


GruffWaffle835 t1_j2nykbb wrote

It's worth looking into! Maybe the area is swinging more blue these days. Otherwise, if you want a left area that (I think) is close to the Poconos/wooded areas, check out Jim Thorpe (the name of a town) and thereabouts!


Combatvidjunkie t1_j2o536i wrote

PA roads are literally known for their poor quality asphalt. What's sorta interesting is that in some places, the asphalt has an almost off-plum coloration to it, and it kind of blends nicely with the plum colored shale on the side of mountains.


Disarray215 t1_j2o7b8k wrote

It really is. I would always drive back and forth for school and get to enjoy the fall foliage. It’s the best in like October.


Purple-Cow1607 t1_j2ohx2i wrote

Pennsylvanis is beautiful with abundant trees The grasses from household look clean and organized. People are generally be nicer than other states. There is mountains you can hike and air is fresh.


Slatherass t1_j2olyle wrote

There’s some very nice smaller towns right outside of Erie,Pa. You got the lake right there and a couple decent sized cities in Erie and Buffalo,NY a short drive away.


Pink_Slyvie t1_j2onk9g wrote

You never know what you are getting with these posts. You took a nice route, the posts about rt15 and all the adult stores get old.


DriveOff t1_j2oq6w8 wrote

I met my wife while happily living in another state. The first time I brought her to PA she was in awe and couldn't fathom why I would want to live anywhere else. A couple years later we moved back to PA for good. It has its issues, but it sure is pretty.


lager81 t1_j2otpyf wrote

What route did you take? Rt 80 while kinda nice to look at scenery is a miserably boring road lol


IrisOpen t1_j2oxyzf wrote

If you can find pictures, look at some of the towns in Wyoming, Wayne and Lackawanna counties. Wyoming and Wayne are more rural. Lackawanna has “stuff” and the areas outside Scranton are pretty beautiful. I used to drive through the town of Ransom and my jaw would hit my lap in the summer. Good luck.


ajmkv t1_j2oyboz wrote

PA is indeed gorgeous. I have family there and was just there last week, and the winter landscapes were beautiful (before the snow melted). However, I will say that Bradford county, where I went, though mostly naturally beautiful, is kind of a depressing place. Run-down and dying towns everywhere, Trump signs all along the roads, beautiful old houses falling apart, rusting tractors and mobile homes all over the place, and fracking locations everywhere. It kinda soured the experience for me, sadly.


reganmcneal t1_j2pb13i wrote

“I could feel a real difference when I crossed the border lines”.

That’s our famous potholes lol


Golden4Pres t1_j2pcyl8 wrote

The Wyoming valley is a great place. I live there and almost all of my family does too. 20 min drive to Wilkes barre and a 35-40 min drive (depending on traffic on 81) to Scranton. Home prices aren’t too bad since the Nee Yorkers and New Jersey folk haven’t flicked here yet. About a 2 hour drive to either border


sassysmurfed t1_j2pt9wc wrote

We discovered the Poconos, and absolutely love the area. No children in school here though so so can’t speak for the education system. Beautiful year round and we get all 4 seasons


rogimonster t1_j2qauum wrote

I’m from pa and I appreciate the diversity of landscape and beauty but have you been to the west??


Illustrious_Air_1438 t1_j2qfon8 wrote

I agree that PA is beautiful, but NY is far from flat, and has significantly bigger mountains than PA (the Catskills and Adirondacks).

Also you need to visit the states out west. They are truly stunning.


lmcco85 t1_j2sm8v6 wrote

Everything has basically doubled in the last 5 years. We are now paying $8 for a gallon on milk. Gas prices are low again though, back down to $4.50. My monthly 475 for HOA is going up to $500, and electrify that used to be about $300/mo is now $450


MRG_1977 t1_j2tz04g wrote

PA is a backwards ass state in that regard. PA residents complain about high property taxes yet refuse to merge their small dinky municipalities together to consolidate them and run them more efficiently.


lmcco85 t1_j2ufzid wrote

That HOA fee is a lot easier to swallow. What about the electricity bills? And wifi? I know milk is a little higher in PA just because of the laws around it and the money that goes back to the farmers, I'm ok with that.


lmcco85 t1_j2uscl0 wrote

That's almost exactly half for electricity- that makes a big difference


whomp1970 t1_j2xoxtn wrote

I'm about to drive from PA to Toronto, maybe through Buffalo, this weekend.

What route did you take that lets you avoid Buffalo? I'd like to plan an alternate if there's weather problems.


BengaliFloatzel OP t1_j2yfovm wrote

Oh you can't avoid Buffalo if you're wanting to make it through the Niagara Falls border. What I meant was during the aftermath of the blizzard with I-190 near the actual city of Buffalo being closed, we had to drive through rural Erie and surrounding counties local routes on the trip down. But since the weather isn't an issue right now you'll likely take I-380, 86, 390, and 190.

If you really are keen on avoiding it for whatever reason then you'd have to enter the border through Kingston, ON which is a 3 hour drive from Toronto instead of the usual hour and 20 from Niagara Falls as well as having to trek up the northern portion of upstate NY