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MacMac105 t1_j3ncx1o wrote

PA is also a massive producer of snacks.

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[deleted] t1_j3nir58 wrote

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hostile_rep t1_j3nmd6i wrote

The chip aisle at your local grocery store is basically PepsiCo/Frito Lays and Pennsylvania potato chip producers.

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TheDifferentDrummer t1_j3nt63q wrote

Middleswarth BBQ chips are the best! Edit: spelling

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postsgiven t1_j3puxl2 wrote

I miss the jalapeno flavor. They don't sell it everywhere anymore.

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freshoilandstone t1_j3qvkc5 wrote

Lived next door to the locals bar in my old neighborhood when I was in college. The owner started selling Groff's jalapeno chips in unmarked (no shit - unmarked!) silver bags. Bastards would set your tongue on fire, leading to increased beer consumption of course. Best chips I ever had.

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postsgiven t1_j3r1hs7 wrote

I need to try these groffs chips. Big fan of spicy food and it probably isn't too spicy for me. I'm Indian and eat tons of spice..I'll have to look em up..

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DeadSwaggerStorage t1_j3nk9og wrote

Cheap eggs? Fuck yeah; i get a dozen double yolkers for $3.50 at the Amish farm…..

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kiddestructo t1_j3nq8rv wrote

Still paying $2 from the local “English” for free range.

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AllAfterIncinerators t1_j3ol1wq wrote

What eggs you been buying lately? They’re $4 a dozen near me, and I know that’s not even the worst of it.

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AllAfterIncinerators t1_j3omb78 wrote

That makes me so sad. What happened? When did we run out of chickens? Is The Rock responsible? That man eats a lot of birds.

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ZaftigFeline t1_j3pxey0 wrote

We culled 49 million chickens last year.

That's 49,000,000 chickens that were killed, and discarded.

We didn't eat their meat, they aren't laying eggs. They're just rotting in a landfill. Avian flu tore through the barns like nobody's business. Its why the cheap eggs are gone and the more expensive eggs are roughly the same price - because they had less loss due to better animal husbandry and reduced spread of disease.

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mjsau t1_j3nwx4h wrote

Yes, I recently saw this on Atlas Obscura: "Hanover [Pennsylvania], and a few counties surrounding it, is the biggest producer of America’s favorite guilty pleasures. It is tempting to be scornful of any place that calls itself the 'capital of the world' of any particular product, but it’s hard to argue with Hanover’s claim on this one: More potato chips (and pretzels, candy, ice cream, and chocolate) are produced over these few counties than anywhere else on Earth."

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TheSalamanizer t1_j3ngf0b wrote

I wanna go get some tastykakes now

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Excelius t1_j3nqf2b wrote

The numbers also seem to be a combination of sugary foods + drinks.

According to these numbers PA is #1 in both categories, but a bottle of Pepsi is going to be way worse for you than a cookie.

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Gettheinfo2theppl t1_j3nmtqa wrote

Thank you for pointing it out. If it's close by who wouldn't eat the snack? Lol

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a2godsey t1_j3n7q9s wrote

The sample size feels to me too small to conclude much but I would have assumed our state is probably more unhealthy than most without even looking at the results but not necessarily as far and beyond second worst as the survey shows. Or maybe we just have a ridiculous concentration of athletes who consume nothing but gatorade which counts as a sugary snack.

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glberns t1_j3nkvbz wrote

For the lazy, this is the fine print in the photo:

>This original survey of 1,135 parents aroudn the United States was conducted by Main Street Children's Dentistry & Orthodontics using a Google Forms Survey.

>Parents of children aged 1-17 were asked how often their children have various sugary snacks per week, including cookies, candy, donuts, pastries, ice cream, ice pops, cake, pie, and beverages such as fruit juice, chocolate milk, soft drinks, sports drinks, and energy drinks.

>The averages for each state are based on the responses of at least 20 people who have identified as parents.

The typical threshold for a statistically credible data set is 1,082. So they might be able to say something about the US population. But 20 is waaaayyyy too small to make a statistically significant finding. So you're absolutely right that this sample size is too small to conclude much about each state.

Further, this is a self reported survey given by the kid's dentist. It's likely that parents undreported.

A better study would be to ask parents to keep a daily log of what the family is eating without giving them any indication that you're interested in sugary snacks. And make sure you have more than 1,100 families in each subset you're interested in studying.

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Gettheinfo2theppl t1_j3nn43x wrote

So what you are saying is that Pennsylvanians keep it real? That sounds about right.

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glberns t1_j3no4zx wrote

You may think those mormon's are honest, but they have a reputation to uphold damn it!

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glockster19m t1_j3r80fe wrote

Really? They included fruit juice?

I was feeling pretty proud of myself that I don't really eat anything on this list or drink anything on it until I realized having orange juice fucked me

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Twodotsknowhy t1_j3ngclk wrote

Yeah, that massive difference between PA and Kentucky immediately makes me wonder about the accuracy in the data, because there's nothing to explain why it'd be so much higher (and no, Hershey does not explain it)

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a2godsey t1_j3nn2s1 wrote

I agree with your last part, really no difference in density of Hershey products in gas stations near Hershey than anywhere else I've been in/out of the state. There's the occasional advertisement but Hershey is a novelty that wears off especially for us locals. Even though we do have a few good junk food brands I personally don't think there's as strong of a correlation between that and total number of sugary snacks consumed as some would think.

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Twodotsknowhy t1_j3nrv4z wrote

Yeah, we may eat more tastykakes than other states but I'm sure other cities have their own regional snack brands that they binge on, nor would any of that have any effect on whether we consume more sugary drinks than other states. The methodology seems suspect, especially since the state I would have guessed had the highest sugary drink consumption is listed as the lowest.

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OhioJeeper t1_j3r60gg wrote

In Kentucky the sugar is mostly fermented before given to children so it doesn't count.

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NotNowDamo t1_j3nnxb3 wrote

I don't trust this. What is the definition of sugary snack? And how does this help?

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SaintSteel t1_j3o0wao wrote

It was defined in the picture as "Cookies, Candy, donuts, pastries, ice cream, ice pops, cake, and pie."

But with a sample size as little as 20 families PER STATE the data is just BAD data.

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NotNowDamo t1_j3o10bt wrote

So one jelly bean equals a half gallon of ice cream?

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Twodotsknowhy t1_j3ngour wrote

I refuse to believe that Utah has the lowest sugary drinks consumption in the US, I've seen how Mormons get about soda.

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SaintSteel t1_j3o120j wrote

Read the fine print, they only surveyed on avg 20 families in each state. That's not significant date for ANY of this at all.

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SwadianZunist t1_j3ox7q8 wrote

This would’ve been a good school project, but it’s not a reliable study.

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txtw t1_j3os0tc wrote

I also refuse to believe that PA is worse than AL or MS.

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oxemenino t1_j3qn2od wrote

I grew up in Utah and 100% agree with you. It's mostly Mormons and since Mormons don't drink alcohol or coffee they consume a lot of soda when they need caffeine and eat tons of sugary treats instead of drinking.

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Professional-Sand341 t1_j3ndq9o wrote

This is exactly the kind of self-administered survey where I assume a majority of the responses are self-congratulatory lies.

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SaintSteel t1_j3o0z2l wrote

The data also is only 1100 families, or roughly 20 per state so it's not even a good sample size for each state!

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a2godsey t1_j3nhm3k wrote

It looks like this dentistry practice operates mostly out of Florida with some branch locations in Maryland. Florida being 43rd on the list feels a little strange, I want to imagine a scenario where they sent the survey to existing patients parents and the responses were in the vein of "my kid hasn't had a taste of anything sugary in their life" even though you and I both know that's not how Florida works.

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Excelius t1_j3npmkp wrote

Surveys are generally self-administered, the bigger concern is whether the manner in which the respondents were recruited forms a representative sample or not. Pretty much everything is done online these days, even the big well respected pollsters are mostly online now.

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SAR_and_Shitposts t1_j3nn3bn wrote

I’ll trust this survey when there are more than 22 people interviewed per state

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thirteenoranges t1_j3oa84p wrote

What statistical analysis did you run to determine the sample size doesn’t demonstrate the population? What evidence do you have that the survey was flawed?

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SAR_and_Shitposts t1_j3odclo wrote

You don’t need to do a statistical analysis to determine that a mean of 22.7 people is likely insufficient to represent an entire state. The cumulative data might have been sufficient to represent the country as a whole, but there isn’t a large enough sample size to draw conclusions by state.

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thirteenoranges t1_j3oduys wrote

Based on what statistical analysis? You’re just repeating a claim without evidence to back it up.

I’m not disagreeing it’s a seemingly small sample size. What I’m saying is properly conducted surveys and the right statistical evidence can still use a small sample size to demonstrate the conclusions are representative of the population.

You don’t seem to have any evidence that the survey and statistical analysis weren’t conducted properly. That would actually be helpful in determining the potential accuracy of the survey results.

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untilyouredead t1_j3pqkzw wrote

quite truthfully, shut the fuck up

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thirteenoranges t1_j3pxl7t wrote

Why? Why are you so angry about a conversation about how surveys and statistics work?

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[deleted] t1_j3qzr5b wrote

On its face, this was not a rigorous study.

pointing that out is valuable for readers who aren't familiar with surveys or "sTaTiSticAl AnAlYsiS".

Infographics are meant to be taken at face value. The takeaway with this one is that statistically, with about 20 participants per state, no statistician would even hint at this being representative of the populations they claim.

20 respondents wouldn't be enough to be representative of my daughters elementary school, let alone a state.

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thirteenoranges t1_j3r1suk wrote

You demonstrate you also don’t have a basic understanding of surveys and statistics.

The sample size does not (alone) determine the likelihood that the sample is representative of the population.

A small sample size with a properly conducted survey — and with, yes, proper statistical analysis… not sure why you’re mocking that phrase — can represent the population with high likelihood.

This is 101 stuff. I’m shocked how many people here are downvoting me for citing a 9th grade statistics class I took 20 years ago. I thought this was common knowledge.

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[deleted] t1_j3r3nei wrote

>I’m shocked how many people here are downvoting me for citing a 9th grade statistics class I took 20 years ago

hey! I found your problem!

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thirteenoranges t1_j3r3t5e wrote

That I paid attention to a basic 101 statistics class?

By the way, took a similar class in college. The math didn’t change.

Your hubris is alarming.

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[deleted] t1_j3rgb5v wrote

what hubris? I would suggest you circle back because either or memory or education ain't as good as you think.

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thirteenoranges t1_j3rhaxh wrote

Please feel free to actually dispute what I’m saying with an authoritative source. Your grammatically incorrect “insults” about my education are really just weird and sad.

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[deleted] t1_j3rhiwr wrote

No.

Google it yourself dipshit.

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thirteenoranges t1_j3rigxh wrote

Interesting way to admit you’re wrong.

Google will give you plenty of results showing why sample size isn’t the only (or even primary) indicator of a sample being representative of the population.

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[deleted] t1_j3ryzss wrote

I think it's a bold assertion that this small dental group used demographic data to select a high quality sample. Especially considering there doesn't seem to be any documentation to go along with it. Their google doc cited doesn't even exist any longer.

So we have one metric to base our judgement on, sample size.

Why don't you go ahead and let us know what you believe the threshold for a reasonable sample size is. Then see how many states match that with 20 participants.

You don't even have to do math. Your highschool stats book likely has a chart. Although, I don't think many of the charts will include confidence intervals low enough for your standards.

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thirteenoranges t1_j3rzd9e wrote

I didn’t assert anything about the quality of this particular sample. I asked questions about it but have not made any assertions myself.

I did assert that sample size alone is not enough to draw a conclusion about the quality of the sample.

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[deleted] t1_j3s7wz5 wrote

oh, you came to this thread to make a generalization about surveys, not to talk about THIS survey.

Then you ask people to prove this one isn't well done.

When people present you with the only evidence available that it is not, you keep saying that your 9th grade education says that THEY are may be wrong.

Then when asked specifically how you would evaluate this survey based on the information available, oh, you're just talking about survey size in general?

got it.

I was right like three comments back. you're a dipshit.

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thirteenoranges t1_j3s8do8 wrote

Relax buddy. It seems you agree with me that the quality of the survey and the sample is significant in drawing conclusions about the population. That is literally the point I was making. Why are you getting off insulting me and calling me names for making a point you agree with?

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[deleted] t1_j3scgt3 wrote

because your point is unrelated to this post.

no one thinks you're wrong about your general point. the problem is, it's not applicable here. that's why I'm calling you a dipshit.

If you weren't a dipshit you wouldn't be in this post asking people to prove this survey holds little weight using statistical analysis. When, at a cursory glance, it hasn't been conducted at a level that would grant it significance.

And why am I here arguing with you and calling you names? just bored I guess. I certainly don't care about any of this. I suppose it satisfies some of my very worst impulses. you're here playing the same game though, so I dont feel bad about it.

I'm a dickhead and you're very smart (and also a dickhead). a match made in heaven

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thirteenoranges t1_j3se1gh wrote

My point is directly related to the comment I replied to, which asserted the sample size alone is a reason to dismiss the conclusions made by this post.

I do care about people misinterpreting surveys and statistics.

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[deleted] t1_j3sfxn3 wrote

it is plenty enough of a reason to dismiss this post. especially with no documentation to accompany it. even with targeted selection, these sample sizes are extremely small.

You can only make judgements based on the information available. The only information here is sample size and that they conducted this survey via a Google form.

Anyways. unless you have a reason to offer this infographic deserves consideration, I'm done with this chat.

later dumb dumb

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kellzone t1_j3ou34f wrote

LOL. The poster says they'll personally trust the survey if there's more people involved and you jump all over them like they need to prove a goddamn doctoral thesis.

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SAR_and_Shitposts t1_j3ovl24 wrote

Bro wants me to write a 60 page dissertation to prove that a survey sent out by some dentist can’t conclusively represent millions of people through 22 respondents.

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thirteenoranges t1_j3ou961 wrote

Jumping all over them? I’m just pointing out how surveys fundamentally work…

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kellzone t1_j3ouzq4 wrote

> What statistical analysis did you run

> What evidence do you have

Mmmmhmm

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thirteenoranges t1_j3ov531 wrote

Exactly. If you don’t know why those things are important in drawing conclusions from surveys, you fundamentally don’t understanding survey making and statistics.

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kellzone t1_j3oy4sm wrote

Dude had a personal opinion.

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thirteenoranges t1_j3oyb2v wrote

Yes, based on a poor understanding of how surveys work… I asked to explain that opinion and they had no explanation…

Uninformed opinions are dangerous. I’m sure you can agree with that.

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kellzone t1_j3p56hr wrote

Yes, that's true, but there's no need to jump down someone's throat like that either. Just explain how statistical analysis works rather than asking them if they can provide a statistical analysis and evidence to support it when they almost certainly don't have access to the materials to do that, as well as the time involved, just to make a simple, offhand reddit comment. It's beyond pedantry.

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thirteenoranges t1_j3p5j9u wrote

Uh, I didn’t jump down anyone’s throat. I asked a few questions about how they came to a conclusion.

Basic statistics 101 isn’t pedantry. It’s elementary. It’s fundamental.

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thirteenoranges t1_j3ow17h wrote

By the way, these aren’t doctoral level concepts. They’re statistics 101. It’s stuff that stuck with me from a 9th grade math class. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Sailingsky123 t1_j3ni6cs wrote

Who can say no to Amish-made desserts? Way too good

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Phl_worldwide t1_j3nw9ot wrote

Growing up, when we went to the grocery store, my mom would get like gushers and fruit rollups, and sleeves of soda cans every week at the store. We grew up eating tons of junk food lol. Got to love the 90s

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himynaameisjoe t1_j3nwq8v wrote

The fact that Utah is consistently at the bottom of each of these, tells me something isn’t right. https://www.today.com/food/trends/what-is-dirty-soda-rcna26689

Like they literally drink soda, like it’s coffee 😂

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badatmetroid t1_j3o4te6 wrote

The survey had 1100 respondents, so an average of 20 per state. I wouldn't be surprised if some states had <5 participants.

Also asking parents how many snacks their kids eat isn't exactly a good measure of sugar intake.

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ChuckFromPhilly t1_j3nl3j8 wrote

I had to email my kids teacher (2nd grade) and ask her to stop giving my daughter candy. It was nearly everyday.

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a2godsey t1_j3nmapq wrote

That's wild, hard to imagine nowadays doing that with our education system being more progressive in teaching food groups and healthy eating habits even at that young of an age. Food as an incentive to positive actions feels more like something I do to train my dogs rather than children.

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ChuckFromPhilly t1_j3orarv wrote

It’s awful. Of course other parents didn’t email so now my daughter is a bit singled out which I didn’t want to do. I actually specifically told the teacher if there’s a birthday or class celebration the. She can be included. We give our kids sugary snacks but they’re limited. When she gets candy at school the. I can’t give her something at home. On top of the physical component to this there’s the psychological one you brought up

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Webb2312 t1_j3nz98u wrote

York/Lancaster/Hanover is considered the snack food capital of the WORLD

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axeville t1_j3npiyi wrote

I feel so bad for Utah. Let's send them some chocolate covered pretzels. 🫡

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Jon3141592653589 t1_j3o345f wrote

When it comes to the local options, they are possibly combining them into relatively large absolute snack units. When I lived in Utah, they had some sizable desserts, but they made a much bigger deal out of them. Less accessible (and, frankly, less delicious) than PA, but physically quite large upon delivery. Very different snacking community there, lol.

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axeville t1_j3o4dq9 wrote

I have some questions about Delaware also. 🤔 adjacent to PA yet dramatic differences.

This is a great dataset for a stat analysis class!

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Fabulousness13 t1_j3nxusf wrote

This is exactly why kids are fat!! When Michelle Obama tried to get kids to eat healthier ppl were appalled she wanted more healthier snacks. Now, look at this Smdh

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badatmetroid t1_j3o46ab wrote

Bullshit. I'm from Salt Lake and I do not believe this. Mormons are obsessed with sugar.

A closer look at the methodology is a self reported google forms survey (uh... massive yikes) and only 1100 respondants (so 20 answers per state).

Seeing as states don't have equal numbers of people and randomness exists, I'm guessing some of these states had <5 respondants.

Also the numbers look nothing like this 56k respondent survey that I found with 2 seconds of googling.

https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/20_0434.htm

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tinymonesters t1_j3oldwy wrote

Kind of makes sense they would be. Is there anything else that makes you feel good which is socially acceptable for them?

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vLT_VeNoMz t1_j3nhqf3 wrote

I’d say it’s because of access due to local production, Hershey and Just Born being the two largest. Each has a multitude of candy bars and other sweets which are sold locally, nationally, and internationally in some cases, but a large quantity is still sold in PA.

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Bazurkmazurk t1_j3o8zt9 wrote

Do you have the source for this? I am actually about to start a graduate paper on the quality of food school lunch programs offer in Pennsylvania. Obviously this is not about school lunches, but I can use this information to support better school lunches

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kellzone t1_j3ot42s wrote

Maybe PA parents are just more honest than parents from other states.

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PBC_Kenzinger t1_j3nolsv wrote

My son is definitely a contributor. If we move these #s will plummet.

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MrSchaudenfreude t1_j3o5723 wrote

Awesome, we are number one for something. That makes sense. We have a lot of candy made here.

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aimeegaberseck t1_j3ockhz wrote

If you see the shit the school feeds kids here in PA, I’m not at all surprised PA is #1 here. “Breakfast” is sugar cereals and mini donuts. Everything is individually packaged junk food. I was initially happy when the school said they’d be offering all the kids free meals, then I saw the meals. Ugh.

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Future-Coast-5280 t1_j3ojd9l wrote

Im from Oregon and i can confirm that my children literally will take a banana for a snack over chocolate any day. They literally only ask for candy like 1-3 times per week.

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tinymonesters t1_j3omx2x wrote

There was like 5 hometown creameries (sic?) within a 20 minute drive when I was a kid. And that's only looking at ice cream. My hometown had "the" Crunch N Munch factory. It probably still does. If you can pass by that shit on a summer day when the wind carries that smell and not desperately need caramel corn and peanuts...we are a different kind of people.

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Gamerguywon t1_j3onsh7 wrote

I wonder what it would look like if it included adults....I know I sure as hell haven't grown out of it yet as a 22 year old.

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sebert14 t1_j3oo72l wrote

Terrible sample size, but beautiful infographic. Kudos to the graphic designer.

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FuzzelFox t1_j3opfcf wrote

I can go to Sheetz and get some pretty damn good candy and chocolate, so I'm not surprised lol

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Kass626 t1_j3p66e1 wrote

We have great snacks and all but look at the methodology of the study at the very bottom. Very few participants (1,135 [minimum of 20! participants per state]) carried out on a Google survey.

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AssertiveAquariusAaa t1_j3p6rqr wrote

Every student who has taken a high school stat class know that this sample size is too small to draw absolutely any conclusion

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JustVern t1_j3p7tnz wrote

The area I'm at the boys are mostly thin (Hunting?) But, the girls are mostly chonks, except for the hunting girls.

Exercise?

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Noblez17 t1_j3pbppy wrote

This shit shady. How is Delaware the 3rd least?

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Galactus54 t1_j3pc4br wrote

According to 20 or so people of each state - this study was not so great on data and hyper exmo zingo with presentation.

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matrickpahomes9 t1_j3pp6h3 wrote

Interesting how Delaware is so low on the list yet they’re so close to us

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Infamous_fire94 t1_j3ptop4 wrote

There’s also nothing to do here except eat smoke and drink beer alcohol all day

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PoiLethe t1_j3q2wxl wrote

So...taking out of schools didn't do much, hunh?

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BufloSolja t1_j3q3lzj wrote

20 parents per state seems pretty low statistically speaking really.

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countdp t1_j3q5wth wrote

As an elementary school custodian I can confirm this is true. The floors in my school are covered in sticky sweets.

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kimshaka t1_j3qer4f wrote

We are the snack capital of the USA..

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H0FG t1_j3qocj5 wrote

Little Debby fattening us up.

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Another-random-acct t1_j3rqtz0 wrote

Was just giving my wife shit for how much garbage she buys. She complains the kids eat too many sugary snacks but just walked in the door with 40 cookies.

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hedgerow_hank t1_j3ry7au wrote

They look like a bunch of agustus gloops.

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extant_outis t1_j3s5om5 wrote

Pennsylvania number #1!!!!!! 🐴🌽🍎🥨🍩🍭🥧🏈🧑‍🌾👨‍🌾

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Zenith2017 t1_j3zgh28 wrote

I'd be interested to see this contrasted with representation of food deserts in the state

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BrightProfessional8 t1_j4aygmh wrote

We are the snack food capital of the United States for a reason!

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h0pedivision t1_j5wx4oa wrote

Anyone familiar with sweet pizza??? Or the burger with marshmallow fluff?? This is not surprising in the slightest

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Irish_Blond_1964 t1_j3nh7dj wrote

The state is home to Wawa and Sheetz. And a number of other type stores.

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Alternative-Flan2869 t1_j3nmzra wrote

There is the beginning of our current and future health crises.

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sauerakt t1_j3o4car wrote

This is the result of bad parenting, poisoning innocent children and telling them it's healthy

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JonustheCord t1_j3qdwqj wrote

Not alot of "health nuts" in PA... it's the capital of diabetes and heart disease.

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